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Quote from: BitcoinBunny on December 18, 2022, 06:14:34 PM

Regardless of who you support, I think we can all agree (except for the odd alpaca) that BTC should have made a new ATH by the latter.

First Quarter of 2023

Wow! That's an optimistic timeline. I am thinking that 2nd Quarter 2023 would be the soonest (or best case scenario) for a new ATH...

And let me think.. worst case.. .....

naw.. skip worst case... who needs to be wasting time on negative nancy-isms? Not this peep.

Maybe longer scenario would be that BTC does not make another ATH until late 2024... so then the range between best case and less good case would be that we reach another BTC ATH between something like May/June 2023 to December 2024 - and maybe something like early 2024 would be the middle of that range.. and surely does not make me feel good to be throwing out specifics that are not really easy to pin-down currently.. without our first showing that we might potentially be able to proclaim that the "bottom is in".. but hey .. maybe by the time that we are able to proclaim that "the bottom is in" then by that point we are way closer (timeline wise) towards reaching a new ATH.

Quote from: Biodom on December 18, 2022, 08:00:45 PM

Re btc ATH: sorry, no way in Q1 of 2023, but could get to 40-50K during Q2-Q3.
ATH most likely during Q4 of 2024 or even later.
All of that on the condition that macro cooperates.

Wow... My worser case scenario (Q4) is your base case.

Sure, you might be correct... I hate to see it but it is not that unreasonable for you to have your base case in the same place as my worser case scenario.. and I may well have a wee bit too much hopium that is fogging my current perceptions. Perhaps? perhaps?

Quote from: Abdulkader765 on December 18, 2022, 08:15:25 PM

The general think bitcoin is more investable product, but this news is true? All bitcoin related think is clear only 15 minutes?

https://bitcoinmagazine.com/culture/bitcoin-for-newbies-in-fifteen-minutes

That's not a bad article Abdulkader765. What do you think? Are you able to express your thoughts on the question of whether you believe bitcoin to be an investible product?

You know where you are at right?

This is one of the longer living of bitcoin-focused threads, so surely it is quite likely the vast majority of longer term active thread participants here are going to consider bitcoin as an investible product - even though we might have differences of opinions regarding how any of us might invest into bitcoin or how we might talk about such topics of investments in terms of what "the general" might think about bitcoin.

You can browse through this thread's history and see that there have been various ideas about bitcoin, but the idea of bitcoin as investible is not new and it surely preceeds this thread.. including going all the way back to the very first blocks in which bitcoin first went live in early 2009 - even though bitcoin did not really develop much of any kind of monetary value until around mid-2010.. . but surely bitcoin was really niche in the earliest of days.. so may well not have been until 2013 or so (or maybe even later?) that bitcoin's investment thesis began to spread more widely into the general population and beyond the more computer geek technical circles.

These days, there are a lot of crazy and weird ideas out there in the "general" world and with the general population, yet that is not really new, except maybe that bitcoin has been increasingly been getting more attention - even if in negative and misleading kinds of ways, so probably many of the active participants in this thread would not really reflect the "general" population and views so much yet still many of us still may well be considering the various ways to attempt to navigate those weird and general ideas that exist in the general world and to figure out whether some of the weird ideas might affect the ways that we think about bitcoin (as an investment) or even to potentially taint the case for bitcoin as an investment.. or even that not everyone (even here) necessarily consider bitcoin as an investment, but instead in other ways, including as a kind of thing (asset) to trade in order to try to maximize the quantity of dollars that they might be able to make from figuring out bitcoin's price moves.

What do you think?

How long have you been in bitcoin?

Are you new to bitcoin?

Is the idea of bitcoin as an investment new to you?

Do you have investment strategies in bitcoin or ways that you want to figure out investing into bitcoin.. or have you not yet gotten that far in regards to figuring out where you are at in respect to your finances (your psychology) and bitcoin?

Quote from: Gachapin on December 18, 2022, 08:22:50 PM

Quote from: shahzadafzal on December 18, 2022, 07:49:59 PM

Quote from: BitcoinBunny on December 18, 2022, 06:14:34 PM

...... I think we can all agree (except for the odd alpaca) that BTC should have made a new ATH by the latter.

First Quarter of 2023

wanna bet some BTC ?

That's interesting.. whether you might go with a 50/50 type of a bet or if one side might give odds to the other?

if we have about the same conviction that our forecast is correct, a 50/50 should be ok. I feel, everything else seems to show a kind of unbalance in conviction, and it gets more complex to express that in percentages in a fair way...