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US temperatures to drop to -30C and even -45C in some places over Christmas. Stay safe everyone.

In other news: Swedish brat loses her cool when her long range weather predictions turn to shit.

the climate catastrophe sect has an excuse for everything... Like "weather extremes increase"... and some climate researcher whose income and reputation depend on the climate hysteria will quickly come up with a study which "proofs" it...

Yeah!
Who needs science anyway, when nobody is able to understand it?
If there were no scientists, there would be no climate change, aminotrite?

Cheesy

Merry Christmas, first of all.

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seems you want to paint me as an idiot (which I probably am anyways), when I have not even stated anything disputable imo...
but you are welcome ...

Nope. But (rapid) climate change is a scientific fact. Being sceptical to climate-change, like i was too in the past, is more or less idiotic, facing nowadays fact base.
So there's that. It's easy to look stupid when one is chanting in with a sceptic's narratives.
Don't take my words too personal. I'm not a very social guy, so my words are often taken as offensive, when they aren't in reality. That's also the reason why i almost never feel offended by anyone. It's complicated, i can't even explain it just like so.
You'd better off to take my words like just a different opinion.

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For sake of communication what I wanted to say is:

Like always in history, we have end-of-the-world sects.
Nowadays, at least one of them in the field of climate change.

Right. I compare this to the bell curve of religions. There is Islam, with 1% radicals, and Christians on the other side, with 1% radicals (rough numbers).
The end-of-world-parts are even less, but both are following the same dynamics, originating from fear (of death).

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They hold extreme views within the scientific climate debate that is supported by a variety of better or (more often) worse computer models..

I wouldn't trust either models too much. We know that a model is only as good as the complexity it can follow, based on reality. This correlations are typically very basic and simple. Even if the climate change was 100% human-driven, we couldn't reverse or slow it down suffciently.
Now there's the good part: Our species is used to adapt quickly, and this is what made us the dominant lifeform on this planet (when you leave bacteria and viruses out of the equation). Let me redact that to mammals, ok?

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The climate sects give themselves names like "Last Generation" and believe they are the chosen ones to save the world. They have their priest-like figures like that mentally instabile Greta girl

Greta is innocent, and this is why she is being easy to be (ab)used.
Again, it's the mighty ego that drives (some of) us to identify with narratives like "last generation".

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These apocalyptic sects' views are not(!) for debate, so logically they have to fight every counter argument and make excuses for anything that counters their view by default.

There are many researchers whose income depends on climate hysteria and they are incentivized to write paper after paper to drive a hysterical view forward.

The debate is extremely politicized and the scientific field is flooded with billions of Dollars. It's obvious that a lot of junk science and junk papers are in circulation.

That's a very simple view of what's happening, but i can't rule out that it is partly true, at least.
There's a common underlying entity, named the human ego, which is driving people to do many strange things which they don't question, and it's used to justify anything in the name of rigtheousness. Whatever that is, you know?

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I have never stated that the climate doesn't change. But it is definitely used by politics in a big way.

We can sure both agree on that.
But then, when you watch what they do, it's very different to what they say.
I suggest that's how things work nowadays. Mostly since 9/11 - imo the latest real Black Swan event in history - politics and society have changed a lot since then, on a global scale. I don't know how to say it in a simple way, but fear is the key to everything behavioural in humans. If we could handle fear in a consious way, we'd be far better off with everything. It may need a lot of time to get there, though.