Quote from: ChiBitCTy on March 17, 2023, 05:25:39 PM

The FBI isnt going to come after signature wearers. They dont have the time or resources first off. Secondly, those who advertised for CM didnt have access to internal protocols, so how could they have known. The FBI went after the major promoters of bitconnect, but didnt attempt to contact anyone underneath them promoting the obvious ponzi. They want those in charge, who were in the know.

In the collectibles world here on the forum theres been an attempt to contact the FBI and other regulatory bodies over essentially theft by a coin maker that is likely well over a million dollars ..weve been turned away and sent on a wild goose chase left and right to try and get some legal body to just listen to whats going on. If its that hard to get someone to investigate a million dollars + in fraud, does anyone really think theyll go after CM signature wearers who werent aware they were promoting an illegal business.

Quote from: TryNinja on March 16, 2023, 05:24:10 PM

Quote from: JollyGood on March 16, 2023, 04:45:36 PM

According to news outlets, German authorities seized servers and crypto worth $46 million. US authorities have accused Chipmixer of laundering over $3 billion since 2017. If international authorities will try to seize all funds related to Chipmixer as they are deemed to be illicit, then it is possible that an attempt could be made by authorities to retrieve all the funds that have been paid out as signature campaign fees as they have effectively promoted/advertised the service.

They should first go after Google for receiving money for scam advertising (which happens on a large scale, every single day).

Quote from: JollyGood on March 16, 2023, 04:45:36 PM

This could end up being very messy for a lot of members in the forum that participated in their signature campaigns if the FBI and US justice department decide to force forum members to repay all the money they received from Chipmixer as signature campaign income.

Eh... seems like a waste of time. Not everyone is from the US, and I don't think mixers by themselves are illegal.

The paper on ChipMixer by the DoJ implies that their crimes were:

1. money laundering;
2. operating an unlicensed money-transmitting business;
3. identity theft.

Would CM be hunted if they specifically analyzed the coins received before mixing them? Like, imagine them contacting Chain analysis and asking if the coins a user sent came from a DNM, and if so, prompting the user for his KYC documents... (crime 1)

Would they be hunted if they disallowed US customers and enforced that by also taking KYC documents (thus not being an "unlicensed money-transmitting business" in the US?) (crime 2)

And last, if ChipMixer didn't register his PayPal accounts with bought/stolen documents? (crime 3)

https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/1574581/download

I Remember when bitconnect ads were all over YouTubethe most obvious ponzi in a long time. Problem is google is more powerful than the FBI, as the US allows for massive corps to fund political campaigns all they want , which means politicians are mostly just bought puppets, who can (and do) tell the FBI to leave certain companies alone. Its the biggest joke in the US governmental system that this is still allowed.

True!! There is a huge difference between unknowingly promoting an illegal campaign which is the case on chipmixer. Few years ago this is one of my dream to be part of this successful and one of the longest running campaigns in this forum. Though I'm sadden by the recent news, it is not reasonable for FBI to pursue signature wearers and spend lots of resources doing that. Campaign promoters are getting paid to promote while following the external rule imposed on this forum, it's not as if they are directly working on the mixer. Besides if the FBI still wants to pursue this matter, it would seem to look like they are just fishing the small fishes just to prove they have the authority over, while proving nothing on the case.