Quote from: Dunamisx on July 31, 2023, 04:41:11 PM

Being certified by any recognized institution is only a proof that you've undergone through their path while learning but the real experience needed is the application of what you've learnt into practical use, as long as you can perform upto expectation and deliver the best needed of you, certification works for you and the other prospect you may have with working with other organizations as part of their requirements, but if for yourself, you may not need that except you want to learn while having their certificate along as an added advantage.

I agree, real experience is what making these certifications out of the league. But on this one, it's not that really like an industry standard per se. It's made by consensus by an organization and many don't follow it at all.

Quote from: Dunamisx on July 31, 2023, 04:41:11 PM

You're right, some of them may actually be here unknowingly to us, but what we needed is to ensure we have what is required to be informed about bitcoin and understand how the whole network operates for our own benefits, many never know the advantage this forum offers them until they go outside the forum to pay for same thing the learn freely from bitcointalk.

Actually, it's possible that many of the learners came from here and learned those things freely. And the trade that happens mostly with these paid courses, they're just setting it like a ladder and charging students for their efforts and that's why it's paid.

Quote from: pooya87 on July 31, 2023, 04:55:43 PM

Two questions come to mind here. First is whether companies hiring "blockchain experts" require such certificates or care if you have one or not.
Second is whether these hiring companies even recognize the issuer of such certificates!

It's most likely that they prefer the ones that has the experience than of those that have these certificates. Because those that have experience knows more of what they do. While these people with related certificates, maybe most of them are like career shifters and they're good to have the fundamental knowledge good for an entry career.

Quote from: pooya87 on July 31, 2023, 04:55:43 PM

I haven't really looked for the jobs in this industry but from what I've seen from startups and other small businesses in this field, the experts themselves create these small companies and then they hire regular programmers, etc. to help build the business.
Not to mention that when anybody hires employees, they look for experience not certificates. For example when they hire a programmer, they don't ask them who taught them c++. Instead they ask them how many lines of c++ they have written and what programs they've created, and stuff like that.

True, they hire coders/programmers and that's what I see and most of them are into the solidity programmers because for the specific of what they're working on.

Quote from: mendace on July 31, 2023, 05:57:05 PM

It makes me laugh enough that a company invents a course of study on blockchain and Bitcoin and then wants to issue a certification to say that you are now officially an expert ... in reality you have stolen my money. I would like to know who gives them the right to say that that certification is authentic, in short Bitcoin is not a product of a company and I don't understand how a company certification can become a standard...lol

Well, that's true and I can't argue more. Usually, those that have "experts" on the field and have them compiled with other "experts" too have just come up to have this for so long and think that many will land a job through their certification.

Quote from: Blitzboy on July 31, 2023, 06:04:43 PM

While the prospect of earning a "Certified Bitcoin Professional" designation intrigues me, it also makes me suspicious. There is a clear need for more uniform qualifications in this field, but it is unclear if C4's accreditation, or that of any other group, can meet that demand. How does one become a Bitcoin expert? Programming, trading, investing, and other financial savvy would all be helpful, at least in theory.

In addition, developments in the bitcoin industry occur at an unprecedented rate, making it difficult for a static curriculum to keep up. It's like trying to keep water from dripping through your fingers.

Last but not least, an accreditation's worth is determined by its standing in the marketplace. I am interested in knowing how this certification is seen by potential employers. Does it set you apart from the competition significantly, or is it just another line on your resume?

The thing is, they were the one to make their own demand and criteria to tell someone if they're a CBP based on the exam and certification that they've made. But in actuality, we all know that whoever passes the exam is an expert on paper and not in real industry.

Quote from: DooMAD on July 31, 2023, 06:31:05 PM

It's almost like a 'Chicken or Egg' situation. Who certified them to be in a position to say you're certified if you complete their course?

Every time someone invents a new technology, anyone could come along and say "pay me money and I'll say you're certified". Certificates are only useful if relevant industries accept them, but I suppose it helps if there are some recognisable names on the board of directors for this particular one.

True, that's what it is with them and having Andreas on board probably made them think that they're credible enough on it because he's known in the industry.

Quote from: franky1 on July 31, 2023, 07:01:44 PM

SEC chief G.Gensler was a bitcoin lecturer at MIT a few years ago... teaching kids about bitcoin.. years later even gensler cant decide what bitcoin is..
just goes to show how poor even known institutions dont really know what they are talking about

I didn't know about that and only knew that he has applied for Binance as consultant or something, interesting thing about this hater now.

Quote from: pawel7777 on July 31, 2023, 08:45:47 PM

Andreas Antonopoulos lost a lot in my eyes by going full leftist in some of his tweets. I've no idea what is he up to now.
The certificate was designed for professionals from various industries to get them familiar of what Bitcoin actually is and how it works.
It's probably not very useful for anyone wanting to dive much deeper into it. You could probably learn more by experimenting yourself (i.e. playing with testnet) and talking to people on technical boards.

Being on the forum will give more learnings and that's no doubt about it. Going with the depth technically, we can see that it's easier to converse with more relevant and tech experts from the members in here than of these set standardized certifications.

Quote from: serjent05 on July 31, 2023, 09:13:31 PM

One thing to see if the certification is practical or needed is the credibility of such certification. Is it credited by the authority to handle such certification? Is the certification acknowledged by any government institution or private company? Can it be used to apply for a position? Those are some questions to answer in order to say that this kind of certification is a must for career-oriented individuals. But if it is not then I think it is just a waste of time and money.

They are the authority who credited it thus, there's actual no industry standard on it. So basically, an organization that's more in depth to this can say that they're certified on their own. And recognizing it depends on the company the certified person will apply for.

Quote from: Casdinyard on July 31, 2023, 09:23:33 PM

Certifications are nothing more than awards or proof that you've undergone training in order to claim that title. In the grand scheme of things you're not necessarily as great as someone who had 5+ years of experience in blockchain technology if you've gone through an online course training program to get your certification lol. Nothing beats experience in this industry and I can attest to that with the fact that I had a friend in the past who bought these online course training programs, this time for blockchain technology and got his certification, in the end he worked at a fortune 200 company that doesn't even dabble in blockchain technology while another friend of mine who had 2 years of working closely with cryptocurrencies as a full stack developer landed a job in this industry and is comfortably working in the comfort of his own home. Not comparing or contrasting who's better and who's not, just that these certifications doesn't act as a guarantee that you'd be a master at the thing you just trained for. Mastery requires 20% training and 80% hands-on experience.

In the other industry, there are certain certifications that would be desired by companies and being recognized by most of them who are in the specific niche and business. But that's true that it's not really necessarily if there's no specific company that talks about it or even desiring to have it. Because if so, then this type of course should have blown already on its popularity.

Quote from: BenCodie on July 31, 2023, 10:11:13 PM

Institutions have been trying to profit from knowledge certifications for quite a few years now. The problem with them is that they are barely recognised as official certifications of knowledge to companies, and as another user said, is unlikely to be worth anything anywhere at this stage. Maybe, it's a step toward the best certifications standing out in the future and it will be worth getting the certification now for the sake of cheaper cost, as cost of a cert. might increase if it becomes recognised...other than that purpose, I don't see any other use case.

It will be hard to establish something recognisable and useful. At least, until colleges and universities create some form of certification and study. That is quite unlikely to happen soon, if at all.

Some of them have been reputable but not on this one, it's completely a new atmosphere to have their institution go after with the industry standard and make a certification out of it. And that's why we don't see the known ones in the tech industry have this applied on their own.

Quote from: robelneo on July 31, 2023, 10:21:48 PM

Certificates are proof that you have undergone a test on what you know on the subject and the issuer should be credible enough to back you up on your knowledge about the subject, like you never know someone you met until you see the certificates that he received.
There will be a lot of jobs and professions that will include knowledge about Bitcoin and Cryptocurrency and you will need something like this to back you up if you're a company and you're going to hire someone you want to see as many courses your applicant has gone through that is related to the job applying, so is when you're an applicant.
In the future, we will have Universities offering this kind of course, there's a lot of demand in many sectors where knowledge of Cryptocurrency and blockchain is essential.

Mostly, it's good for the new ones and career shifters. But if you've been in here for quite a while, your experience could tell a lot for you when you try to apply for it. Just as what everyone is saying regarding this cert, to each their own for these companies.

Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on July 31, 2023, 10:55:44 PM

For me personally, i do not and will not consider any certificate from any of this firms important, it is nothing but business for me, they are just feeding on the ignorance of some people, what ever lesson or knowledge regrading bitcoin and blockchain that this firm is awarding this certificate for, same can be learnt and even extra ordinarily perfected through online courses from several platforms like Udemy and the likes, and the beautiful thing about Udemy is that, you can find any course there at a very cheap amount of money, all is required is your willingness and determination to learn..

Another thing i was even thinking about just about now is, lets say like the op said, that google seem to recognize the certificate being issued out by this firm, how many blockchain firm know about the firm and the certificate? how easy can a person with the certificate secure a lucrative job in a blockchain company? this is the only way we can know if those certificate are truly valuable or not.

True about Udemy, there are a bunch of these courses made also by individuals and it's up to you if you think that they're enough. But most likely, there have been free courses that are good for starters offered by exchanges and other websites which could already be enough just to get the fundamentals. As for recognition, I've just googled about it and not actually google recognizes it. Some results from google say so.

Quote from: hatshepsut93 on July 31, 2023, 11:44:08 PM

I imagine for Bitcoin-related jobs, experience is the most important quality in a candidate. If someone has a good portfolio of delivered Bitcoin projects, they don't need certificates. So they are only useful for people who only entered the field, but only if these certificates are recognized by the potential employers.

That's actually true, getting certs like this is like an addition or just a satisfaction that one has to display on his portfolio or resume.

Quote from: sheenshane on July 31, 2023, 11:58:16 PM

Interesting IMO.
There could be other organizations like Blockchain Council offering similar certifications. However, forums and communities are great resources to learn for free and just thought of sharing this, ain't affiliated with them.

Right, I've just picked them as it seems that they're the closest that one to C4. You just look at Udemy and you see a bunch of them offering these the same certifications but I don't know how many of them are orgs as well. And I couldn't agree more about things in the forums and communities.

Quote from: Afnan_faizah on August 01, 2023, 12:29:21 AM

all of this is to make sure that the project that they done is credible. I think such certificate can't be issued by non government institutions. we need a legal institution or group or public figures that credible and popular to issue that certificate because once the certificate is issued they will risking their credibility. in my country there is institutions called OJK which supervise any money related service, for me it is safer to use service that supervised by OJK.

Anyone can issue their certificate, whether they conduct examinations or seminars, they can. As long as there's an exchange of why they're distributing that based on their setting and standard. I haven't heard OJK and from what country is that?

Quote from: davis196 on August 01, 2023, 05:34:09 AM

I would never pay any money for such bullsh*t.
Passing one exam and buying one course doesn't mean that you are a true professional. There must be a 4 year long university program for becoming an expert in cryptocurrencies and blockchain technology. The participants in such program must practice their skills for months or even years. Learning theory is only 20%, building skills by practice must be 80% of the entire crypto/blockchain education.
I guess that those "crypto organizations" OP is mentioning have found an easy way to make some easy money by selling "certificates" to a bunch of gullible crypto noobs.

While I do agree about a 4 year course over crypto and blockchain technology. But just look at the most experts on this field, they don't ended up having any education or bachelors degree that's described. Honestly, with the innovation of technology now learning has became a such fast paced thing that can be done over a boot camp. But I do get your point about this certification and there could be some folks that have been liking to attach their names over certificates since they can afford to pay one and also have bunch of spare time to complete it.

Quote from: Kakmakr on August 01, 2023, 05:59:37 AM

Well, it is nice that Andreas Antonopoulos are one of their board of Directors, because he is very knowledgeable about Bitcoin and Crypto currencies. He will not back any bogus organization that will issue doggy certificated, because he has a relative good reputation in the Crypto community.

I have been involved in a lot of recruiting for posts and we do not even consider "certificates" that are not verified by our local registering authorities. That does not mean that I will not look into this... so thank you OP for posting this. Wink

No problem, more details you get about it on their website if you want to pay a visit.

Quote from: sysoe on August 01, 2023, 07:22:41 AM

What are the benefits of being a Certified Bitcoin Professional? Do you get discounts, perks, or access to exclusive events? 😎 I'll enroll only if I get free Bitcoin with my certification.

Well, you get certified by them and that's pretty much it is. And the knowledge you'll learn there is just like the start of it but it's better to learn more about it through the forum and get into process which is a better way. I'm not sure if there are some of those that offers for free but I guess there is, maybe in Udemy.

Quote from: Queentoshi on August 01, 2023, 11:29:46 AM

There will be many people interested in knowing more about bitcoins when they learn about it, these people know that is why they have decided to make money from it by claiming to give certification. Many people in this forum have deeper knowledge about bitcoins than the tutors in these school for certification, and also passing through this school does not give any confidence that you know more than someone who has deep interest in bitcoins and a dedicated member of this forum.

While it's true that sure a lot of people want to get ahead and know more about Bitcoin. But it's not needed to go into this type of certification, a lot of tutorials and information are almost everywhere. Anyway, they're not a school but an organization.

Quote from: Helena Yu on August 01, 2023, 11:45:32 AM

What will you get aside than this certify?

Will this certificate give you a 100% guarantee you will able to work in Bitcoin sector? nope

Will this certificate make you understand about Bitcoin? not really.

I don't see any skill that you would get after completing this certificate except you're become a teacher which teach about Bitcoin in general. Without this certificate, you can still become a teacher as long as you understand about Bitcoin in basic and the difference with bank or fiat.

Everything you've said is right and it's just like a fulfillment for someone to have it and it's just like a "nice to have" certificate for someone who's already knowledgeable on this.

Quote from: Honnet43 on August 01, 2023, 11:54:57 AM

Certified Bitcoin Professional, huh? Sounds like the kind of title I'd put on my LinkedIn profile just to impress my friends. But hey, if it helps people get into the industry, why not?

You got it, it's likely to impress your friends and maybe a couple of employers who knows? But like what everyone is saying, whether you have it or not, you'll still be able to land a crypto-related job if you've got the right skills and knowledge.

Quote from: shivansps on August 01, 2023, 09:16:58 PM

It is a personal matter for everyone whether to receive a certificate. I agree that it is probably needed only for work in order to show it along with the rest of the certificates to the company that hires you. Perhaps you will look more competitive against the background of other candidates. As for knowledge, I don't know what it gives that can't be found in the public domain. I agree with you that on the forum you can find a lot of useful information.
The certificate only confirms that you have knowledge in this area. But the absence of a certificate does not mean that you do not know anything and do not understand
There is a conclusion, then if there is an opportunity, then it can be done, it will not be worse with him - it can come in handy

You will look more competitive in the sense that you've finished the course. But with actual situations and interviews, you'll ace it more if you've got the experience and actual knowledge. There is a brief summary of what that course and certificate has to offer on that link I've put on the OP.

Quote from: _BlackStar on August 01, 2023, 09:59:50 PM

I had no plans to pay $140 to get myself certified - that didn't seem like much use to me. Of course some of us would be interested - but I think it's just a collection instead a condition for applying for a job. Certificates can be useful - but not all jobs require certificates especially if they only want your experience and ability on the job.

A certificate might explain to your future children that you are one of the many people who know and are knowledgeable about bitcoin - but I don't think it's very useful for the company that will hire you.

Honestly me to, or if I'd be willing to spend that much I'll choose another course that I know that I'm better with. While it sounds cool that you've got a story to tell to your children someday that you're one of the few that have taken it but likely never used and apply it.

Quote from: famososMuertos on August 01, 2023, 10:18:11 PM

Recently, a friend who is an accountant is need for a certificate in this area and not because the company is involved in the crypto world, just because due to the boom and disclosure, they want to be prepared.

There are starsups dedicated to training, this type of training has been going on for years, now they are not endorsed by the official education ministries, but they do exist long time.

Let's say that, as has happened with other technological things, that type of course is always there, there are still Excell courses.

So, in the case of our forum, which you mention, it may not be very useful at the level of the bureaucracy of a piece of paper that says, "you are an expert".

Right on. Some companies may sponsor their employees in prepareness of the upcoming boom on this industry. But just like the usual thing in the tech sector, innovation keeps on going and industry standards are changing rapidly. Dealing with the actual experts and having conversations or just reading interesting topics in the forum are much more pretty interesting than on it rather than spending w/ those bucks.

Quote from: Sim_card on Today at 03:46:37 AM

No one has the full knowledge of bitcoin, talk more to having an institute that issues out certificate on bitcoin course. Bitcoin is very broad that it can't be learnt for three years. Nobody will care of your certificate if you want to be employed to a company because the employer believes on what you gat in you as bitcoin is not theory but practical especially the programmers and dev. Certificate is only paper and anyone can come up with a certificate on blockchain claiming to be a professional which might not be true. The only one that can have an institute on bitcoin that will be recognized by the world is Satoshi but this is impossible. I will prefer to learn in this forum gradually for a very long time than going to pay for some paper that I don't know if I can grab a lot of knowledge on bitcoin from them.

Only if satoshi will appear and will prove that he's the real one and establishes something like this. For sure that a lot of people will come to chase it but well, as you've said, it's unlikely to happen.