Quote from: 1miau on Today at 12:17:19 AM

Quote from: DaRude on August 06, 2023, 09:24:50 PM

Quote from: paxmao on August 06, 2023, 06:15:15 PM

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Ahh yes dig yourself in deeper, approach, after all when you lost all your credibility there is really no more downside to making stuff up right? Here are some of your quotes:
Meanwhile, the disconnect between the RF army chief Psychos and the diplomatic and civil side of the government is show again in the terrorist attacks against Nord Stream II.
The Nord Stream was mainly a RF doing, because Ukraine asked for payment for the pass through their territory, paid with German money.
...Bottomline, as it is now, it looks like international terrorism from Adolf Putin's Psychos and the Chief Orcs.
as the RF has destroyed the Nord Streams "outside NATO territory". Seems that Mafia rules have found an equivalent response

Quote from: https://www.wsj.com/articles/in-nord-stream-probe-german-investigators-search-boat-that-may-have-carried-explosives-379505f9

Western officials no longer suspect Russia of ordering alleged attack against undersea gas pipelines
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Ah yes denial, great strategy. I will thread crap all day long, but when confronted with it, instead of admitting that i was wrong I just won't believe anything that doesn't fit my narrative for 50years...wait maybe not even then, defense. The cope is really strong with this one

Dude, can you read?
The article clearly says "investigating the possibility" that it's an "boat tied to Ukrainians".
But no one really has a proof for it.
Of course, you are only interested to quote a story, where "mean Ukraine" has allegedly blown up the pipeline from an "Ukrainian boat". Cheesy

Of course, you don't mention that this story has many fallacies:

- Why should Ukraine do it like that, leaving many traces, especially ones, leading to the conclusion that Ukraine is behind it?
- The accused, private sailing boat "Andromeda" (is available for rent) is well suited (not) to do this sort of operation:

- It's totally not possible that Russian officials have ordered their agents to rent the ship, to fabricate the fake evidence to accuse Ukraine and tried to spread this weak story by brainwashed and useful Kremlin trolls like you... Roll Eyes

Maybe add 3 SIM cards (or SIMS 3), rumours are they have been found on the boat, too. Roll Eyes

Doesn't look like a deliberately fabricated Russian attempt to accuse Ukraine for you? Of course not, since you are 100% brainwashed by Russian propaganda...
It's Putins well-known strategy to sow discord, hate and uncertainty among Ukraine's allies...

Lets see, on one side we have citations from The Washington Post, The Wall Street Journal. Let's see what else can be found from WSJ and SPIEGEL

Quote from: https://www.wsj.com/articles/nord-stream-sabotage-probe-turns-to-clues-inside-poland-4ed20422

Nord Stream Sabotage Probe Turns to Clues Inside Poland
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The probe by Germany’s Federal Criminal Police Office is examining why the yacht they believe was used to carry out the operation journeyed into Polish waters. Other findings suggest Poland was a hub for the logistics and financing of last September’s undersea sabotage attack that severed the strongest bond tying Berlin to Moscow.
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Taken together, the details show that the boat sailed around each of the locations where the blasts later took place—evidence that fortified investigators’ belief that the Andromeda was instrumental in last year’s destruction of the pipeline.
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German investigators say they are also looking into why the yacht was rented with the help of a travel agency based in Warsaw that appears to be part of a network of Ukrainian-owned front companies with suspected links to Ukrainian intelligence, according to people familiar with the investigation.
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Their investigation also found that a white van—sighted in a German port by security cameras and eye witnesses—carried Polish license plates and was used to supply its crew, according to people familiar with the investigation.
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In mid-May—five months after Berlin had identified the Andromeda—the two sides had what a Polish Justice Ministry official called a working meeting.
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Investigators first found the yacht following an October tip from a Western intelligence service. The information came from a person in Ukraine who gathers intelligence for a small European country. Officials in that European country have since then questioned why bigger powers with extensive surveillance capabilities and personnel in Ukraine didn’t get wind of the plot on their own—or alert others if they did.

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Poland, like many of its neighbors as well as the U.S., strongly opposed the Nord Stream pipelines, which they viewed as Russian leader Vladimir Putin’s geopolitical weapon to make Europe dependent on Russian energy.
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Polish officials have acknowledged the country’s long Baltic coastline, its 320-mile border with Ukraine and its sizable population of Ukrainians offer obvious advantages for individuals staging such an operation. But these officials said the government played no role in the Nord Stream attack.
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a senior Polish national security official said. “I cannot exclude that some Polish company or whatever is involved in this case.”
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The blasts created vast bubbling geysers in the Baltic Sea that eventually released more greenhouse gas into the atmosphere than the entire annual emissions of Denmark.
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Unlike with Poland, Germany has closely cooperated with those and other nations while conducting the probe. They have classified their investigations, with German officials reminded that under law they could face jail time for leaking details.

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Among the latest findings of the German investigation: The single-mast sloop, loaded with military-grade explosives, sailed south into Polish waters from the Danish island of Christianso.
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Interviews with those familiar with the Andromeda’s voyage indicate the sabotage crew had finished half of their job, laying deep-sea explosives on Nord Stream 1, the older of the undersea gas pipelines, before they set their Bavaria 50 Cruiser on a course away from their target, toward Poland.
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What investigators have established is that the Andromeda, which had days before been rented from a German company based close to where the pipelines land, sailed back north in what investigators believe was an effort to complete its task and plant mines on Nord Stream 2, the second key conduit for Russian gas exports.
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intelligence service of a European country in June 2022. That agency informed the Central Intelligence Agency that a small group of members of Ukraine’s armed forces were planning on sabotaging the pipeline that same month. The CIA passed that warning on to Germany and other allies
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Immediately after the attack, these officials set their sights on Kyiv.
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the small European country that had warned the CIA directly passed on detailed information to Germany that helped its investigators to identify the Andromeda, officials familiar with the exchange of information said. Around the same time, CIA director William Burns was asked in a meeting with a European ally whether Ukraine was responsible. “I hope not,” he said, adding that the available evidence didn’t point to Russia, according to an official with the allied country who was in the room at the time.
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Last month, German investigators took a DNA sample from the soldier’s son, who happens to live with the soldier’s former girlfriend as refugees in the eastern German city of Frankfurt an der Oder.
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The spokeswoman for the prosecutors in Germany said the investigation was working on obtaining enough evidence to issue international arrest warrants.

Quote from: https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/nord-stream-anschlaege-hinweise-auf-ukrainische-taeter-verdichten-sich-a-b176fd6b-1258-47dc-99bb-6e9db544908e Google Translate

Indications of Ukrainian perpetrators are increasing
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There is also repeated talk of a so-called "false flag" operation by Russia. Among those familiar with the process, this is considered extremely unlikely. Behind the scenes, it was even said that early on that Moscow had no real motive for the crime.
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Prosecutor Peter Frank are now certain that the sailing yacht "Andromeda" was used for the attack.
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Fake identification documents were apparently used to hire them.
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The often-put-up thesis that the assassins could only have brought the explosives to the site of the attack because of its weight with a larger ship and possibly a mini-submarine is then no longer applicable.
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The traces found by the Federal Criminal Police Office coincide with the assessments of several intelligence services, according to which the originators are to be located in Ukraine. The secret services are now asking whether the deed could have been carried out by an uncontrolled commando or by Ukrainian secret services and to what extent parts of the Ukrainian government apparatus might have been in the know.

And the arguments on the other side is

prove to me it wasn't aliens, keep all investigations secret for 50yrs+, block UN from investigating. good tactics!