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And are you seriously calling for mass targeted killing of civilians at a huge scale towards the end there?

Don't waste your time on this character, this is a walking collection of propaganda clichés. A typical Ukrainian neo-Nazi, with every statement he makes an aggressive anti-advertisement to the Zelensky regime. The only benefit of his statements is that it becomes clear why Ukraine needs denazification.

You enjoying the new drones that I predicted to hit Moscow just one day ago and today it was the truth.Russia how funny they are,one of their generals said some time before that hardly any sky is shielded more than that of Moscow yet drones are hitting the financial district,Russia is incapable of protecting their own citizens and the so called elite which work in that institution that was hit.Ukraine never forget any war crimes Russia has made and will make them pay as Zelensky says it is only a natural process that the war will be felt inside Russia,inside Moscow.I am waiting for more strikes and devastation against a country which started a war out of nowhere and this is the end of malevolent countries.

I'm trying to find any military reason for these drone attacks on the business center, but unfortunately I can't. And a repeated strike on the same building in Moscow City refutes the version of the Russian Defense Ministry that the first drone was suppressed by electronic warfare, these were targeted Ukrainian attacks on a skyscraper in Moscow, in which there are no military facilities. Simply put, this is pure terrorist attack.

I understand why Ukraine resorts to terrorist tactics - because its counter-offensive is failing. I understand, but I don't condone it. It is impossible to defend democratic values by terrorist methods. Soon even its most zealous supporters in the West will turn their backs on Ukraine, because support for Ukraine already smells very shitty.

No.It is because Russia continuously strikes civilian targets not later than yesterday killing an 10 year old girl.This is a response to Russian terror and it is only natural that Russia feels the same what Ukrainians are feeling because of Russian barbarism.The Russians claim they hit no civilian targets yet today they hit a dormitory in Kharkiv,luckily without dead persons.Russian have killed children,have made mass graves and systematically hit civilian targets in Ukrainian cities so it is only a natural response and what I find the most funny is terrorists (Russia are the true ones starting a war out of nowhere and killing civilians as a sign of desperation in the battlefield,stalled invasion) are calling the victim who tries to defend a terrorist Grin

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@Branko , the US clearly has ask for forgiveness although it is not worthy after the damage they have done yet they have spend billions in help rebuilding Iraq after then,not justifying them,it was a mistake and they ask for forgiveness.

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You keep moronically tip-toeing around a serious topic. Simple question, do you condemn attacks on civilians in RF without military justification (hint: response to what they did is NOT military justification)?

Oh, yes, let's not tiptoe... do you condemn Ruzzian attacks in schools, restaurants, civilian buildings including churches, hospitals, entertainment and shopping places?

I absolutely deplore any targeted attack on civilians without military justification, and fully condemn any idiot even hinting or joking about committing such atrocities. Furthermore, I think any civilian casualty is a tragedy be they Afghans, Iraqis, Yugoslavs, Libyans, Ukrainians, Yemenis or whatever, and only a deplorable waste of a human life would gloat or encourage such heinous crimes, no ifs and buts about this. There, super easy answer. Now to the big question, why such basic statement that is self evident to overwhelming majority of humans is so hard for UA supporters on this forum to say?

There are millions of Ukrainians living/working in Russia as well as millions of mixed marriages/families. Despite all of the danger Russians are still gladly travel to Crimea with their families for summer vacation where majority of population was born in Ukraine/Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic. Tens of thousands born in Ukrain/UASSR are currently fighting on the side of Russia (old DRP/LRP) against current Ukrainian regime, and since the start of the war more Ukrainians refugees went to Russia than to any other country. As of 31July2023 2086 civilians were killed on the RU controlled territory and 7283 on UA controlled. So attacking force resulted in 249% more civilian losses on the UA side, from what i have gathered RU launched over 5000 missiles and 2000 drones (as well as significantly more artillery shells, and MLRS rockets) for every incoming missile/shahed you want to intercept on average of more than 1.0 air defense missile needs to be launched (defense in depth). with some air defense missiles deciding to go as far as Poland. Now seeing these numbers compare it to other conflicts, and then tell us if data shows any systematic targeting of civilian population (hint it shows exact opposite, civilian looses are much lower than expected for conflict of this scale)

Quote from: paxmao on September 28, 2022, 10:59:00 AM

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Blowing the Nord Stream II looks like the RF army doing to kind of "make a point" on regards to EU aid and aligns well with a country that is under a Junta.

In my view, this is an act of war. The Orc army could have chosen any other target right? A bridge in France, a factory in Germany... Why do you think they would hit NS II? The answer is very simple: it is not in NATO territory and does not grant a NATO mobilisation which would end any expectation of even a technical "victory" in the invasion.

Now, what does YOUR critical thinking tell you about this?

So how about for some accountability of claims, knowing what we know now that there is irrefutable evidence of explosive residue leading directly to UA soldiers with information from EU that Gen. Zaluzhny was involved, are you going to stand by your words and still think that this was an act of war from Ukraine on Germany? Or going to backpedal on this? If you were mislead yourself, and thus inadvertently mislead other readers on this forum, what lead you to come to such wrong conclusion, or were you the one intentionally doing misleading? Guess in that case you'll just ignore everything and just jump on whatever is in the headlines this hour.

There is no irrefutable evidence. You are just stating non-facts without any evidence.

Please notice the "looks like" in my text before you try to accuse me of anything. You do not have any facts because there are no proven facts other than probably some archive somewhere that may be open in 50 years for now... if ever. The difference is that you do make firm statements with no base while I say "looks like".

I think still think there is a very high likelyhood of Ruzzia being behind this. Easy target, lots of damage, right time,...

Ahh yes dig yourself in deeper, approach, after all when you lost all your credibility there is really no more downside to making stuff up right? Here are some of your quotes:
Meanwhile, the disconnect between the RF army chief Psychos and the diplomatic and civil side of the government is show again in the terrorist attacks against Nord Stream II.
The Nord Stream was mainly a RF doing, because Ukraine asked for payment for the pass through their territory, paid with German money.
...Bottomline, as it is now, it looks like international terrorism from Adolf Putin's Psychos and the Chief Orcs.
as the RF has destroyed the Nord Streams "outside NATO territory". Seems that Mafia rules have found an equivalent response

Quote from: https://www.wsj.com/articles/in-nord-stream-probe-german-investigators-search-boat-that-may-have-carried-explosives-379505f9

Western officials no longer suspect Russia of ordering alleged attack against undersea gas pipelines
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Ah yes denial, great strategy. I will thread crap all day long, but when confronted with it, instead of admitting that i was wrong I just won't believe anything that doesn't fit my narrative for 50years...wait maybe not even then, defense. The cope is really strong with this one

This is me waiting for your irrefutable evidence to contradict my views while you wonder around my posts - and keep quoting my "looks like" which means exactly that.

I am sorry you do not like how things work in the world, but the fact is that secret ops are secret, so no reason for you to run into baby rant. If you do not like that sometimes the truth will not be know, jump to a parallel universe where you are omniscient.

And by the wat, if you insist in judging other's credibility, start providing some sources or you will just be another of the wall-texters trolling here. As of now, you are pretty much at the bottom feeding end of the disinformation effort.

But... to things that actually matter, the breaking of the grain deal and the bombing of grain silos has fired back in the form of attacks on Ruzzian vessels. It seems that insurance costs (or even the possibility of insuring) cuts both ways.

Who is the volunteer to explain to Adolf Putin (thanks for reminding) how a country with no navy is damaging the Ruzzian ships so effectively.

Quote from: https://www.wsj.com/articles/fresh-leads-point-to-poland-as-hub-for-nord-stream-sabotage-bf35ee3e

The Wall Street Journal found that the company that rented the boat—a 50-foot pleasure yacht named Andromeda—was founded and controlled by Ukrainians who were Polish residents who used Polish bank accounts and an accountant and paralegal based in Krakow, according to interviews with people familiar with the company and corporate filings.
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Poland, which is conducting its own, more limited investigation, has known about the role of the company, Feeria Lwowa, since March, Polish officials said. About three weeks ago, investigators visited its registered office in Warsaw for the first time, conducting a brief meeting that lasted only a few minutes
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“You asked more questions than they did,” an office worker present during the raid told Journal reporters who visited.
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German investigators have identified some of the six members of the sabotage crew on board the Andromeda. The suspects haven’t been named but investigators say they are Ukrainian citizens.

Tip about the boat came from the source inside of Ukraine of one of the EU intelligence agencies, boat was placed at the scene of explosions, explosive residue on the pipe matched to the residue found on the boat, 6 members of the sabotage crew are Ukrainian citizens. travel agency booking the boat was founded and controlled by Ukrainians with Polish bank accounts accountants and paralegals. CIA director and German intelligence officers are on record saying that evidence don't point to Russia. And found DNA matched (through his son in Germany) to a 26yr old Ukrainian soldier (not yet identified), who left Germany for Ukraine. At this point too many people are involved, and with every fifth person in Germany supporting AfD (and presumably many more in police/military circles) that they won't be able to keep this under covers. But nothing gets past your critical thinking, because through your hallucinations you just know that it was ~~aliens~~ Putin placed those explosives himself while riding a trained narwhal, you should contact all these publications immediately with your theory, so they can all publish corrections!

You've demonstrated that you're not even able to read your own quotes, to notice that most don't have "looks like" in them. So i don't really expect you to be able to read this either. And I'm sorry, but I just don't have the coloring pencils to draw it out in color pictures for you. But continue, do tell us what else looks like "Russia did it" to you, after all with your track record we're all very interested in hearing your next, spot on unbiased, carefully cited, predictions.

Finally we have something to discuss, it takes you a while to get of the irate responses and actually say something even if you have just one source and even if it is behind a paywall.

So, you base you accusation to the Ukrainian government of blowing up the NS because:

- A small vessel was around (definetly not at "the scene" which is 80 m below the water).
- That small vessel was rented by an Ukrainian company and sailed / operated from Poland.
- The vessel was in the area for 12 hours.
- Intelligence sources (take with plenty of salt) say that the US told Ukraine not to blow it up.

Anything else? Because that is not enough.

Other sources say:

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German investigators now believe that six individuals using fake passports rented a sailing yacht in September, embarked from Germany and planted explosives that severed the pipelines, according to officials familiar with that investigation. They believe the operatives were skilled divers, given that the explosives were planted at a depth of about 240 feet, in the range that experts say helium would be helpful for maintaining mental focus.

So this is now from Germany.

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The June plot differs from the September attack in some respects. The European intelligence report notes that the Ukrainian operatives planned to attack the Nord Stream 1 pipeline, but it makes no mention of Nord Stream 2, a newer line. The intelligence report also says that the saboteurs would embark from a different location in Europe, not Warnemünde, a German port town on the Baltic, where the Andromeda was rented.

What I see in here is lots on unreliable information and "may be 's". Certainly nothing "irrefutable" or beyond doubt... unless you really need to believe it of course.