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Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]
by
DaRude
on 11/08/2023, 17:54:21 UTC
So the only citation of "enormous doubts" you provided from back in March was refuted by new information released since then. You provide zero new sources, just childish attempts to seed more doubt and uncertainty.
You clearly have not understand anything from what I've explained to you. I have quoted the maritime expert because he's a maritime expert and not an explosives expert. The operation is far more than xx kg of explosives. You don't do this sort of operation on a day trip. Not on this ship, not 100s of km from the German cost, where the Andromeda was rented, not for 3x blowing up the pipelines.  Roll Eyes
But since you claim a possible Russian false flag has been refutet, you have not provided any proof, why it shouldn't be possible that Russia has left these traces on the "Ukrainian boat" intentionally.
The version of Russia leaving these traces of "light" explosives intentionally would be very plausible to make their story more "legitimate".

I'm always surprised to see people like you  completely overlooking the fact that only 3 pipelines out of 4 were detonated. Guess what? Maybe people would see the clear picture that only Putin has to gain something to blow up 3 of 4 Pipelines of that useless gas pipeline.

Also important to note, that 2 pipelines of NS1 were blown up but only 1 pipeline of NS2. 1 pipeline from NS2 is still intact.
And - no surprise - shortly after the explosions, Putin suggested to open the remaining NS2 pipeline.

Putin offers Europe gas through Nord Stream 2 - DW - 10/12/2022

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The Russian leader offered to resume gas supplies through parts of the pipelines that weren't damaged by explosions last month.

Not suspicious, that one pipeline is still intact and Putin wants to start his NS2 project to keep Germany dependent and fund his russian war machine - not suspicious at all.

I have not provided any proof that aliens don't exist either, so why it shouldn't be possible that aliens did it? Or why it shouldn't be possible that Putin rode a narwhal? etc, etc, etc ...

I'm sure your think of yourself as some sort of expert and that we should all care about what is plausible to you, but here no one really cares for your conspiracy theories and about your extensive research on how the world is flat. (Just, as in all fairness, no one should really cares why i think it's a sphere). We either put up a reliable sources or stop wasting everyone's time by seeding doubt with your silly nonsense opinions.   
You claim a nonexistent "false flag" conspiracy theory with 0 proof, i provide SPIEGEL article that straight up says expert consider "false flag" is extremely unlikely, and then you ask me to proof that something never existed in the first place  Grin you don't even attempt to answer any of my questions on why all of the western media is publishing this, just keep saying that aliens did it, it's like debating with a kid




I appreciate the beginning of the transition from the silly denial stage into acceptance stage. But i'm truly stumbled by your question, pretense that Ukraine can set off explosions anywhere in the world is truly preposterous. Wait, perhaps you just believe that Ukraine is in war with Denmark or Sweden too? Perhaps you should ask paxmao why he feels that this is an act of war against those countries? Or you should ask US or Western allies why they view it as a sabotage on critical infrastructure? I'm not sure how else I can explain that Ukraine cannot blow up civilian infrastructures inside other countries Undecided Or are you still just trying to involve as many countries into this as you can to get the WW3 going by setting the precedent for Russia to blow up some pipeline/civ. infrastructure in another country too?

Nice collection of loaded questions and other insinuations. Good indication of how you tend to twist anything and generally have no interest in discussing stuff in good faith.

First of all, acceptance? LOL. It's a hypothetical. I don't know who did it, nor do you no matter how hard you pretend.

Then you're trying to pretend as if it happened in Sweden or Denmark. It didn't. Nor do the pipelines belong to Sweden or Denmark. It's Gazprom property in international waters. Not much different than sinking a Russian ship in Black Sea.

But yeah, some governments and news sources and perhaps even some users of this forum would use big words like "sabotage" (not "terrorism" though; try a dictionary if you're confused) if the implication is that the "bad guys" did it, and likely would use different words if it was the "good guys", I'll give you that. This doesn't make your speculations into facts, it just makes you a doofus who can't (or doesn't want to) tell the difference.

How stupid would you sound if i never pretended that happened in Sweden or Denmark? It happened within the economic zones of Denmark and Sweden. That's how they're not allowing Russia access to investigate it themselves, and delayed approving the project in the first place. And then you'd sound even dumber when you'll find out that i never said it was terrorism either. Do you always first make up stuff and then start arguing with it yourself?

The blasts at the Nord Stream pipeline in September were caused by an act of sabotage, Swedish prosecutors said Friday after evidence of explosives was discovered at the sites by investigators.

In a statement, Mats Ljungqvist, the prosecutor leading the preliminary investigation, described the incident as “gross sabotage,”