Quote from: 1miau on August 11, 2023, 08:05:34 PM

Quote from: DaRude on August 11, 2023, 05:54:21 PM

Quote from: 1miau on August 11, 2023, 10:35:19 AM

Quote from: DaRude on August 11, 2023, 03:39:17 AM

So the only citation of "enormous doubts" you provided from back in March was refuted by new information released since then. You provide zero new sources, just childish attempts to seed more doubt and uncertainty.

You clearly have not understand anything from what I've explained to you. I have quoted the maritime expert because he's a maritime expert and not an explosives expert. The operation is far more than xx kg of explosives. You don't do this sort of operation on a day trip. Not on this ship, not 100s of km from the German cost, where the Andromeda was rented, not for 3x blowing up the pipelines. Roll Eyes

But since you claim a possible Russian false flag has been refutet, you have not provided any proof, why it shouldn't be possible that Russia has left these traces on the "Ukrainian boat" intentionally.
The version of Russia leaving these traces of "light" explosives intentionally would be very plausible to make their story more "legitimate".

I'm always surprised to see people like you completely overlooking the fact that only 3 pipelines out of 4 were detonated. Guess what? Maybe people would see the clear picture that only Putin has to gain something to blow up 3 of 4 Pipelines of that useless gas pipeline.

Quote from: 1miau on August 10, 2023, 05:49:33 PM

Also important to note, that 2 pipelines of NS1 were blown up but only 1 pipeline of NS2. 1 pipeline from NS2 is still intact.
And - no surprise - shortly after the explosions, Putin suggested to open the remaining NS2 pipeline.

Putin offers Europe gas through Nord Stream 2 - DW - 10/12/2022

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The Russian leader offered to resume gas supplies through parts of the pipelines that weren't damaged by explosions last month.

Not suspicious, that one pipeline is still intact and Putin wants to start his NS2 project to keep Germany dependent and fund his russian war machine - not suspicious at all.

I have not provided any proof that aliens don't exist either, so why it shouldn't be possible that aliens did it? Or why it shouldn't be possible that Putin rode a narwhal? etc, etc, etc ...

Nice to have your confirmation that you can't disprove that Putin faked this "Ukrainian boat" story to accuse Ukraine and destroy Ukraine's coalition. Roll Eyes

Quote from: DaRude on August 11, 2023, 05:54:21 PM

We either put up a reliable sources or stop wasting everyone's time by seeding doubt with your silly nonsense opinions.
You claim a nonexistent "false flag" conspiracy theory with 0 proof, i provide SPIEGEL article that straight up says expert consider "false flag" is extremely unlikely, and then you ask me to proof that something never existed in the first place Grin

you don't even attempt to answer any of my questions on why all of the western media is publishing this, just keep saying that aliens did it, it's like debating with a kid

That's cheap coming from a person who can't prove that Ukraine is definitely behind it. Cheesy

As I've said before, Putin really likes to lie to the public and even to his loyal serfs. Lips sealed

The problem with Putins propaganda is one thing: it's created that way that it's really difficult to be proven wrong because it's just trying to achieve one thing: His propaganda doesn't need to stick, it's enough if it's causing enough fear, uncertainty, doubt and discord between Ukraine's allies. And Putin could still put his useless pipeline in a martyr role: blow it up and accuse "evil Ukraine has destroyed his great pipeline".
Putin knows very well, that his loyal apologists will push even the dumbest stories, where every time someone else except Russia is at fault. Russia invades Ukraine? Everyone is at fault but not Russia. Russia bombed Ukraine? It didn't happen or Ukraine bombed itself. According to Putler's propaganda, it's never Russia.
He's committing war crimes and at the same time he's playing the victim card. And Kremlin trolls like you are enabling that.
Shame, shame. Lips sealed

Quote from: DaRude on August 11, 2023, 05:54:21 PM

I'm sure your think of yourself as some sort of expert and that we should all care about what is plausible to you, but here no one really cares for your conspiracy theories and about your extensive research on how the world is flat.

Well, that's an outright lie, I have never claimed that the earth would be flat. Roll Eyes

No need to bring up any stupid strawmen here...
What else could we expect from dumb pricks like you... Roll Eyes

Quote from: 1miau on August 09, 2023, 08:52:03 PM

Quote from: 1miau on August 08, 2023, 09:10:23 PM

It's already your 5th post, where you are trying to accuse Ukraine for something, you have no valid proof for and Ukraine has no profit to do so.

I stand corrected, it's your 6th post where you are defending war criminal Putler... Roll Eyes

I've stopped counting, but probably we are at post number 10 or 11 right now...
Must be extremely important to you to defend war criminal Putler.

Putin is really proud to have loyal serfs like you because without them, his propaganda wouldn't stick as easily as loyal serfs like you are spreading them constantly. Roll Eyes

No really, how old are you? You do realize that this is not coming from Putin or even RU sources, and that now you're accusing western media of pushing Putin's propaganda?

I also cannot disprove that you're not a cannibal who likes eating children, and you're glad of such confirmation, which proves absolutely nothing? That's what stands behind the whole concept of proof, and how the burden of proof, in adult world, falls on the claimant, as in majority of cases it's simply impossible to disprove a negative. You should get to that in grade 10 or thereabout, now it's very time consuming to educate you, until you can find some citations to your outlandish conspiracy theories just sit quietly and let the adults speak, as your personal opinions carries 0 weight.

Quote from: suchmoon on August 11, 2023, 09:25:34 PM

Quote from: DaRude on August 11, 2023, 06:48:25 PM

Mentions global lizards, but doesn't answer the question, can't say im surprised.

You putting question marks on your sentences doesn't make then something to be answered. "Firehose" of loaded questions used to be prominent in Soviet propaganda and Putin has clearly evolved this style for the new intertubes era.

Quote from: https://www.rand.org/pubs/perspectives/PE198.html

Russian Propaganda Is High-Volume and Multichannel

Russian propaganda is produced in incredibly large volumes and is broadcast or otherwise distributed via a large number of channels. This propaganda includes text, video, audio, and still imagery propagated via the Internet, social media, satellite television, and traditional radio and television broadcasting. The producers and disseminators include a substantial force of paid Internet “trolls” who also often attack or undermine views or information that runs counter to Russian themes, doing so through online chat rooms, discussion forums, and comments sections on news and other websites. Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty reports that “there are thousands of fake accounts on Twitter, Facebook, LiveJournal, and vKontakte” maintained by Russian propagandists. According to a former paid Russian Internet troll, the trolls are on duty 24 hours a day, in 12-hour shifts, and each has a daily quota of 135 posted comments of at least 200 characters.

But let me guess, these are the bad lizards, can't believe this article, Ukrainians did it.

Cool justification for not engaging in adult conversations but just making this forum and endless stream of twitter copypasta/shitposting from both sides.

Quote from: paxmao on August 11, 2023, 11:21:49 PM

Quote from: suchmoon on August 11, 2023, 09:25:34 PM

Quote from: DaRude on August 11, 2023, 06:48:25 PM

Mentions global lizards, but doesn't answer the question, can't say im surprised.

You putting question marks on your sentences doesn't make then something to be answered. "Firehose" of loaded questions used to be prominent in Soviet propaganda and Putin has clearly evolved this style for the new intertubes era.

Quote from: https://www.rand.org/pubs/perspectives/PE198.html

Russian Propaganda Is High-Volume and Multichannel

Russian propaganda is produced in incredibly large volumes and is broadcast or otherwise distributed via a large number of channels. This propaganda includes text, video, audio, and still imagery propagated via the Internet, social media, satellite television, and traditional radio and television broadcasting. The producers and disseminators include a substantial force of paid Internet “trolls” who also often attack or undermine views or information that runs counter to Russian themes, doing so through online chat rooms, discussion forums, and comments sections on news and other websites. Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty reports that “there are thousands of fake accounts on Twitter, Facebook, LiveJournal, and vKontakte” maintained by Russian propagandists. According to a former paid Russian Internet troll, the trolls are on duty 24 hours a day, in 12-hour shifts, and each has a daily quota of 135 posted comments of at least 200 characters.

But let me guess, these are the bad lizards, can't believe this article, Ukrainians did it.

Ruzzia is on the mindset of applying the same method that they use at home to turn the constituents in democracies against Ukraine. At this moment they are shouting over an over that the offensive is a failure. By force of repetition and with some echo in selected western media, they pretend to shape public opinion. It is not the first time and it will not be the last.

My hope is that people from Europe, US and other countries can discern at minimum their own best interests in all this.

I asked you directly if Germany issuing arrest warrants for those Ukrainians would make you concede that UA blew up Nord Stream?