Quote from: mikeywith on October 18, 2023, 11:16:22 PM

Quote from: 1miau on October 18, 2023, 08:27:50 PM

Because it turned out that the rocket was fired by Hamas itself and it crashed near the hospital, like the OSINT (Open Source Intelligence) community has confirmed:

Since when did NYpost become "Open Source Intelligence" ? where is your OSINT source?

I haven't claimed anywhere that New York Post is OSINT community.
You clearly didn't read that article and you also didn't bother to check the OSINT community yourself.
Even in the NYP article, two names from the OSINT community are mentioned and cited...
But no, all you can come up with is a strawman "New York Post is no OSINT source" - LOL.

Quote from: mikeywith on October 18, 2023, 11:16:22 PM

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It would be nice to get some facts instead of unproven speculations that. Because it turned out that your claim aged like milk. Cheesy

You used the New York Post as your "fact reference" which is funny, where is your source of all the info you posted above? if you are going to quote another Western legacy media then spare yourself the effort. Cheesy

in fact:

I've just posted one source from all the sources I've read about this. Is it so difficult to look it up or are you afraid to see some Hamas propaganda getting debunked into pieces? Cheesy

Quote from: mikeywith on October 18, 2023, 11:16:22 PM

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In the hours after the attack, @Israel, the official Israeli account on X (formerly Twitter), posted a video it claimed was proof that the explosion was the result of a misguided rocket launched by Islamic Jihad militants. But within minutes, Aric Toler, a former Bellingcat researcher who now works for The New York Times, pointed out that the time stamp on the video showed 8 pm local time, a full hour after the explosion took place.

The post on Israel’s official account was subsequently edited to remove the video while maintaining its claim that the attack was not the result of an Israeli strike.

https://www.wired.com/story/al-ahli-baptist-hospital-explosion-disinformation-osint/

So, you are saying that there were two explosions happening?
From the pictures we know today, that can't be true.
And like you've seen in the picture in that wired article, the hospital seems to be intact, doesn't it? Wink

Quote from: mikeywith on October 18, 2023, 11:16:22 PM

She also mentioned in response to some Israeli fake news

Head ups, there is a claim that the hospital bombing in Gaza was by Hamas. If you see the video below, it is actually from at least 2022.

So I ask again, where is your OSINT resource that confirms that the hospital was attacked by Hamas? if your source claims that it wasn't an airstrike conducted by a fighter jet, it doesn't change anything, your source needs to prove that Hamas was indeed the one who launched it, it's common since the attacker bares all responsibility unless proven otherwise.

Your strawmen proves exactly what? I can go to Twitter and pull out fake videos from any side so that's proof enough to debunk a claim? This is proving exactly what? - Nothing!
When Russia attacked Ukraine, there have been videos from a chemical explosion in China from years ago, normal Twitter users are not the OSINT community. They will re-post anything for clicks.
Even New York Post mentioned the OSINT researchers from GeoConfirmed. There are far more commenting on the incident, like Nathan Ruser or Oliver Alexander commented on this as well.
It's like Bitcoin buyer and Bitcoin developer.

Quote from: mikeywith on October 18, 2023, 11:16:22 PM

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Stop getting brainwashed from Hamas propaganda and find out, what really happened, backed up by proof.

Hamas is a political movement, I couldn't care less what they say or do, just like Netanyahu's government, they would use everything at their disposal to win, and that includes propaganda, it's perfectly normal to dislike or a hate a political party including this army and leader, but what you doing now is hating on all the civilians who have nothing to do with Hamas.

Hamas is a terrorist organization and everyone is suffering from them. Not just Israelis, people from Palestine as well.

Believe me, I have defended the palestinian struggle even in our German section in our forum in 2022, especially criticizing the illegal israeli settler practices. I really hope for peace in that region, which is very difficult unfortunately. I was even accused to be pro Hamas. Cheesy

So, you see, I'm considering both sides here.
But what these Hamas terrorists did there, murdering thousands of israeli civilians in such a brutal way, is not acceptable at all. I don't need to elaborate this.
The fact, that we now have in Germany antisemitic rallies from "pro Palestine" (pro Hamas) folks, who are shouting "down with Israel" or "gas the jews" in GERMANY, is not acceptable. Houses, where Jews are living, were marked like in Hitler's 3rd reich. This is not acceptable.

Quote from: mikeywith on October 18, 2023, 11:16:22 PM

you keep mentioning Hamas as if they are superpower who control the whole area, you don't seem to know that they don't extend past Gaza

I know this very well.

Quote from: mikeywith on October 18, 2023, 11:16:22 PM

You seem to be pretty misinformed, about the religious aspect in the area, Israel is fighting both Muslims and Christians, it's part of the Zionist doctrine which you don't seem to understand, it's Zionist (God's chosen people according to them) vs everyone.

Your guess couldn't be more uneducated on the matter because as I've said I have defended the cause of Palestine previously in the forum.
I know that the extremist far right in Israel will not hesitate to erase Palestine, like the radical Hamas wants to erase Israel. We won't get peace with such folks.

Quote from: mikeywith on October 18, 2023, 11:16:22 PM

Are you aware that ALL human rights organizations state that Israel committed war crimes and has been brutal to the Palestinians for decades? and that includes ALL Israeli human rights organizations.

Looks like you are completely unaware that I've read tons of this, from Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International, German outlets and even Alex Gladstein's article about Bitcoin and Palestine.

Quote from: mikeywith on October 18, 2023, 11:16:22 PM

If you are annoyed by a certain group of people regardless of their religion or background, don't let them into your country, it's as simple as that to a superpower country like Germany, unfortunately, it wasn't the case for the weak Palestinians back in 1948 since no matter how hard they tried to stop the Zionist from taking their land -- they couldn't.

Unfortunately, international law applies and refeugee crisis is a very hot topic in Germany right now. Yes, we need changes but when we make changes there, someone will be unhappy instead.

Quote from: mikeywith on October 18, 2023, 11:16:22 PM

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Yes, after Israel is wiped off the map, which is the goal by extremist organizations like Hamas or Israel etc., EU and USA will be next.

So why does this have to be in the order you mentioned, why can't it be EU, USA, and then Israel for example Cheesy

, I find it hard to believe that a country with 2% the GDP of the U.S, a small population of 10 million with little to no natural resources is standing in the way of the "extremist organizations" who plan to take down the EU and the USA, it's also worth mentioning that Israel as a state only come to existence roughly 70 years ago, so who was protecting the world from the "extremist organizations" back then? we know for sure it wasn't the Jews so who was it? I am not trolling really, I just don't have what it takes to understand arguments with flawed logic.

As I've said, the radical folks trying to force Islam onto European countries are very few. But they are existing and they won't refrain from suicide bombing our societey to death. I'm not interested to get an escalation, where more and more people are radicalized due to political islam. We have tons of nice Muslims in Germany, they don't make any issue at all, the problem are the radicalized ones and the past days have shown that we need to take it seriously. Like you, I'm also for a peaceful society.