Quote from: Pmalek on Today at 03:01:45 PM

Ledger sends their hardware wallets with already installed firmware, and very often it's the latest version. So, you don't need the app to install the firmware.

This doesn't apply to older devices that have been discontinued, but which can still be found on sale or have users. For example, Nano S. In their case, a firmware update may be mandatory.

Quote from: Pmalek on Today at 03:01:45 PM

That's true. You have to install the Ledger crypto apps before you can use any software wallet, be it Electrum, Ledger Live, or something else.

Why wouldn't they make a backdoor in this point? Users will still be forced to pre-install crypto apps.

Quote from: LoyceV on Today at 03:26:30 PM

Are we allowed to call people who fall for this idiots? Cheesy

I would prefer to be more lenient with them. These are simply those users who don't understand anything about this, don't try to find out, but continue to blindly believe in cheap marketing ploys.

Enemies of ming.

Quote from: Pmalek on Today at 03:59:34 PM

If they fully understand what they are getting themselves into and still do it, yes.

Most likely, they simply don’t understand anything.

Quote from: Pmalek on Today at 03:59:34 PM

On the other hand, if they fail to understand the whole concept of crypto, they should first be pointed towards a better path.

I believe this is exactly the case. Because they don't understand this, they create trouble for themselves. In fact, they need help and to be shown the right path. But to do this, they must ask these questions first.