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Still alive, he he, still killing invaders in astronomic numbers.
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Yep, most of them destroyed by my company near Avdiivka. 2 of 3 photo had been taken on our frontline. Despite your irony, golfcarts are versalite vehicle, sometimes it's realy hard to spot and catch up one of it with an FPV kamikaze. The last one from our work - https://t.me/strikedronescompany/174 . Epic video i think

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We doing both. Destroying facilities with long range drones and killing russian units on battlefield.
Our company kills in average 10 orcs and wound 10 more. So like 20 orcs in a day in average. Sometimes more (when they trying to assault) sometimes less.

At this point that is the job, and since it has to be done, the more the better. Sad truth of war.

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Yet the collapse has not happened, we are seeing pictures of Ruzzian soldiers on "golfcarts" trying to advance, the US is far closer to approving 60 billion in aid ...

The aid to Ukraine is to fight Ruzzia. This means that Ukraine will be able to either stop Ruzzian advances, recover some ground or keep on hitting the targets that are more valuable, thus achieving a further demilitarisation of Ruzzia - hopefully will take a couple of decades to build what they have and will keep on loosing.

In any of those cases, Ukraine keeps being an independent nation, potentially can join the EU and/or NATO with nothing that Putin can do to avoid it and Ruzzia cannot present all the waste of money and human lives of Ruzzians as anything remotely close to a victory.

Look, the sooner the Orcs are clearly stopped and choose to starting thinking about a reasonable proposal instead of joke-like stuff, the better for the world's economy.

Hey, dumBAss, I hope you are not to old.... one can spend a whole life waiting for a dollar collapse and die before it happens still thinking that is "very close". I am sure you know what I am talking about.

Surely you must agree that if US really wanted Ukraine to either stop Russia or recover some ground then stopping the aid for 4 months, and not sending tech until it's too late (M777, HIMARS, PATRIOT, ATACMS, F16 etc etc etc...) just sounds like a cruel joke and wouldn't make any sense at all. Now the last point (highlighted) is totally logical. Prolonging the conflict just to annoy Russia a bit longer, little downside for US except some $$. Unfortunately the downside for Ukraine on the other hand, might be unrecoverable, but no one is counting or really seems to care about that now, lets just wave some flags to keep them in the fight a bit longer. Yes, yes, orcs on golfcarts probably without weapons too, just with some slingshots, and Ukraine will totally join NATO any day now, just need to keep the Ukrainian population hanging in there a bit longer...

Latest news, Ruzzia is likely going to help Ukraine fight Ruzzia, at least to a point.

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Council of Europe unanimously votes to use seized Russian assets to fund Ukraine reconstruction, compensation

https://www.euractiv.com/section/europe-s-east/news/council-of-europe-unanimously-votes-to-use-seized-russian-assets-to-fund-ukraine-reconstruction-compensation/

Surely you agree that in you are in front of a 60 billion gun pointed at your jugular while sending people to fight in golf carts is time to start rethinking if this was such a great idea in the first place.

For what I have seen in the front and during the summer campaign, Ukraine has been changing the strategy to simply making the war extremely expensive for Ruzzia. if I were Ukraine, I would not be thinking of sending my troops to the frontline or try to recover ground meter by meter, I would rather be thinking of using all those new long-range drones that I have to send Ruzzia into the stone age of communications, oil production and energy generation, destroy aplenty their air defence and airfields and any plane that gets 100 km from the front while while stopping wave after wave of Ruzzian meat. It is clear to me that is much better to prevent Ruzzia from financing the war and destroying assets that they simply cannot replace any longer than risking Ukrainian lives for a stretch of ground.

Only then, after a year of "changing the perception" of the other side and demilitarising the best of the best Ruzzian war assets, I would encourage them to make a proposal for war reparations and an orderly withdrawal before someone puts a bullet in Putin's head.

Remember what I said a million times, there is only one winner to this war and it is not Ukraine, is not Ruzzia and is not the EU.

Golfcarts - You are free not to believe what Ruzzia is sending to the front - I would not want to believe it either if I were you - but the golf carts are well documented for anyone who is following the conflict, and is not behind the lines, it is in the frontlines. This along with the "hangar tank" to transport troops and other "inventions" that use meat armour mostly.

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But this is nothing compared with the destruction of more expensive vehicles. A said all is well documented and geolocated - you can choose not to look at it, it does not matter.

So let me get this straight, Global aid to Ukraine has reached a staggering 253 billion euros committed as of Jan. 15 [2024], or about $278 billion (that's from Feb 2022, so about $139B/yr) and we all see the results of that, no air defense left, collapsing front lines, and destroyed power grid with power outages. But you're saying that the next commitment of $60 billion (just 21% from what was committed before) will somehow totally change everything? You realize how ridiculous that sounds right, do you really expect anyone to believe this?

Edit: Congress Approved $113 Billion of Aid to Ukraine in 2022 but just about a half of that, $60B in 2024 "is time to start rethinking if this was such a great idea in the first place" riiiiiiiiiiight Roll Eyes

I take it you then think it was a good idea then? I know, I just wrote it: It will take one or two years to change that perception, and unfortunately for all except the US, lots of blood and iron.

. I honestly think that the US does not care much about sending 60 billion, 100 billion or 300 billion, what they do care about is the "return on investment", that is, how many air defence systems, how many jets & bombers, how many tanks, how many radars and how many industrial installations get destroyed for every dollar sent. Make no mistake: for US this is about demilitarising Ruzzia without sending the country into chaos (too many nuclear loose ends in that case) - ergo, this is about keeping Ruzzia at war for as long as it takes. If you are counting on the US or the EU just not knowing what they do... good luck.

60 B, let's say 20% of all the aid if you wish, is going to a country that has developed a range of weapons that can target nearly anything in 1000 km from Ukraine is quite a sufficient amount to implement the strategy I think the US wants implemented. My guess is that the Ukranian government(and what is more important the allies) perfectly understand that it is not a good idea to charge into Ruzzian positions just like that. Ukraine has become very skilled in causing economic pain to Ruzzia with very little money, 60 B gets you:

Firstly, it is enough to stop the Ruzzian attacks in the front. Sufficient artillery is enough to stop the advances or make them incredibly expensive.

Second, it is enough for air defence. Ruzzia does not have as many missiles as at the beginning of the war and the production is not really big. Ukraine will now be able to deal to the bigger threats, not with all though.

Thirdly, the refineries are a good target along with all the oil exporting facilities and depots. That would need to happen after the US elections to make sure it does not raise inflation - a big factor in US.

I do not think there is a specific interest in killing Ruzzian soldiers, but it is going to happen innevitably.

Which leads me to the news today: Another Ruzzian ship has been likely "decomissioned" in Sebastopol - a piece of crap, but still a ship. My guess it will start changing perceptions once half of the Black Sea fleet is gone. Two years is my guess, maybe less as there seems to be a new version of the Neptune missile.

https://kyivindependent.com/explosion-in-sevastopol-russian-ship-reportedly-on-fire-and-c

Despite being in a worse position after $278B commitment (failed counter-offensive, no air defense left, shortages in equipment and personnel on the front lines, and destroyed power generation capacity), by cutting support by almost 50% from what it was in 2022, that will now somehow be "sufficient amount to implement the strategy I think the US wants implemented"? Did i understand your point correctly?

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ergo, this is about keeping Ruzzia at war for as long as it takes

I agree with this, only for some reason despite everything that is happening you appear to think that Ukraine can somehow outlast this? Or did i misunderstood you and you now feel that Ukraine is just collateral damage in the game to demilitarizing Russia a bit more, thus why we support but not sending F16s position?

And you theory on US not having any downside and only being a benefactor, conveniently completely ignores China, and that having printer go Brrrr causes inflation.