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Quote from: DaRude on Today at 09:57:27 AM

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Huh why does it sounds like they're not talking about Ukraine winning at all, but just hoping for chance to hold back Russia from completely breaking through Ukrainian lines Huh

I can repeat it again if you want, but since you do not seem to understand, I will use now the 6 year old version:

- Make sure the bully does not get your lunch.
- Make sure the bully gets punched in the face until he decides you lunch is not worth that much.
- Keep hitting until the bully does not have any more resources to hit you.

And then, kick the bully out of the room.

Versus the wrong strategy of blind-charging a bigger guy like in summer.

Quote from: DaRude on Today at 09:57:27 AM

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I see, so still pushing the narrative that Ukraine is totally winning because its super-soldiers became uber-effective with some tech that will surely become a game changer. They just need to continue to give up land, and mobilize women Huh

Should they continue doing it in stages, drop the conscription age first to 21 before dropping it to 18 (you know boiling the frog), or just start conscripting 18yr olds right away? You know, because they're winning so hard, and things are better than ever for Ukraine? Do you think loosing Kharkiv wouldn't be a bad for Ukraine too? Because everything can be spun as a positive, willing to accept any Ukrainian loss as long as Russia is demilitarized a bit more for the US?

No, those are your words not mine. A usual way of attacking an argument is taking it to the ridiculous. For example: "hey it seems that daRude is still reading that plan in which the parade in Kiev would be in day three, perhaps I should buy him a subscription for a newspaper" or "I guess you want to see 50% of the Ruzzian fleet in the bottom of the sea instead of the current 15% because you just love seafood".

What I have said is that 60 billion in military aid are the roughly equivalent to six year of Ruzzia's production of shells to their most optimistic stats and that Ukraine is able to hit and has hit high-value targets up to 1000 kilometres from the front. Hint: take a look at where most of Ruzzia's most valuable factories and sites are.

Quote from: DaRude on Today at 09:57:27 AM

Hint: Do not look up population stats for Ukraine, just keep looking for any negative stat you can find on Russia, just make sure to present it in a vacuum without providing objective content.

I know Ukrainian statistics on population perfectly well. That is why I think they need to get free from Ruzzia and find the same progress Poland had during many decades after they got rid of Ruzzia and joined the EU.

Quote from: DaRude on Today at 09:57:27 AM

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Back up your words or stop attempting to fool people. Find any major news outlets that claim that Ukraine is doing good at the front (overall not some marginal local victory), then we'll see who's cherry picking.
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Back up your words or stop pretending this did not happen and that it is not going to affect Ruzzia.

Any credible source saying that Ukraine is worse-off after this? Because you are pretending to say it is.

You're just repeating the same thing, over and over ad nauseam, totally ignoring what's happening at the front and in the country.
Ukraine gaining ground=UA winning, soon UA will recover their 1991 borders and then go on Moscow. They should continue doing so
Ukraine loosing ground=UA winning, UA just trading 1cm of land for 1billion of dead Russians. What a smart move, they should continue doing so

It's like a broken record, you can't even define what a loss would look like for Ukraine. Or how bad situation must get to the front for you to start doubting the strategy. Spinning whatever happens, happens for the best because here are some pictures of golfcarts

Let's concentrate on some UA UAVs hitting some "targets up to 1000 kilometres from the front" and totally ignore the fact that Russia has been hitting ANY target it wanted in ALL OF UA, going as far as Poland with Poland even complaining that few Russian missiles crossed into their airspace Roll Eyes

Everything is great now and will be even better soon, just keep hanging in there, and send your women and teenagers to the front lines, because you know that's what victory looks like!?!? Just because fighting to the last Ukrainian is a great strategy for US doesn't make it so great for UA