Quote from: paxmao on Today at 02:47:52 PM

The important things:

- Ukraine knows what works and what does not.
- Ukraine can hit oil facilities. I expect that now to happen after the US elections. Latest drones are above the 1000 km of range (some say 3000 km, but I am not giving yet credit unless I see evidence).
- Ukraine has learnt from the Surovikin line and now has its own.
- Ukraine can stop Ruzzia in the front, is willing to do so and is willing to bleed Ruzzian economy hard.

I see that there is a clear direction. Optimal result: Crimea cut from railway lines this year.

The muddy waters in which some here live:

Quote from: DaRude on April 23, 2024, 09:33:04 PM

Quote from: paxmao on April 23, 2024, 08:42:49 PM

Quote from: Branko on April 23, 2024, 05:41:56 PM

Quote from: paxmao on April 23, 2024, 09:17:52 AM

It is the houses special. I am not sure, but I think DaRude here is trying to make it look like getting 60 billion in aid is a bad thing and will not impact the rate of fatalities in the Ruzzian army? I mean... a 155MM shell is 300 US. 60B of shells would be like... 18 million shells? More than all that has been yet used in the war? A whole 6 year shell production of Ruzzia to their most optimistic stats? This is just to give an idea, not realistic, but... I would not want to be on the other side of this gun.

"" The cost for Excalibur has been estimated at around $100,000 per round, compared to about $3,000 for an unguided 155-mm shell."

Source:

https://www.businessinsider.com/cost-key-us-weapons-artillery-shells-for-ukraine-is-soaring-2024-3

I guess rest of your comments are just as accurate...wrong tenfold Grin

Excalibur is an exception, used for targets that are at least x10 its cost. One shot, one less tank, one less Uragan... Your argument is very interesting, but does not stop the bullets.

LOL You make a claim that "a 155MM shell is 300 US" Branko corrects you by citing a full sentence from Business Insider, which estimates the price of different shells including the one you mentioned 155-mm shell at $3,000. Then instead of thanking him for correcting your blatant mistake (or being caught on a lie) your reply with some irrelevant comment about that other shell? Do you have reading comprehension issues that you really don't understand Branko's citation, or you're just incapable of admitting that you were wrong, so much so, that you'd rather make yourself sound like a fool and be made fun of?

Getting 60 billion would definitely impact the rate of Russian fatalities, but it's like someone giving Japan money after US nuked them, just to keep them fighting a bit longer. Would that increase Russian/American fatalities? Sure, but would it help Japan? Unlikely. I can't believe i have to explain this to you like you're a 6yr old, but here it goes, if something is bad for Russia, that doesn't automatically makes it good for Ukraine, as something bad for Russia can mean something even worse for Ukraine. Now if you don't care for Ukrainian losses and view this strictly from American point of view, than i stand corrected and you are right, finding fools to suicide themselves on your opponent is definitely advantageous.

Little troll, you have a reading comprehension issue: Branko mentioned the Excalibur, used by HIMARS which is only used for the expensive vehicles - occasionally to kill masses with cluster munition. Please, educate yourself.

Branko is right (on this) at todays prices as I am right at usual market prices which are around 300 US. There is no lie, there is no mistake in understanding. Todays prices are today, as production expands price is likely to go back to the mean as I just said. I hope you are have reading comprehension as opposed to lying when you deny that Ruzzia is sending soldiers in Golfcarts to the front? Would you like to admit that you were wrong or lying? Which of the two you like most?

Or would you want to admit that 60 billion is the US aid is on top of the EU aid and is more that the rate given on previous years and that you are lying when trying to make it appear otherwise?

You know what? It does not matter. At this point all Ruzzian soldiers and the command know what this means. I am sure that Ruzzis in the front feel very re-assured by your permanent denial of the fact that 60 billion of military equipment is going to be used on them. I am sure that the High Command of the Baltic fleet is very reassured by your comments that Ukraine is just playing golf with the Scalps as the artillery and tank crews are very reassured because the price of the Excalibur that will kill them is expensive.

Keep on boiling frog and dreaming of front collapses. Unless you would like to admit that you are lying when you say the front has collapsed?

Quote from: suchmoon on April 23, 2024, 11:18:54 PM

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Why the fuck would I waste my time with your straw people. Seems like your brain damage is getting worse, you're not even trying to tell the difference between reality and your fantasy world.

Me personally? I hope to save people from dying for the delirious dreams of a dictator or by giving any credits to the "information" provided by the resident trolls here, and try to get a peace that I have enjoyed and wish for future generations. Unfortunately, none of that happens for free and without fighting.

I get that you're trying to concentrate on the positives, but at this point a child can see that cherry picking some facts that are adventitious to you usually means that someone is trying to mislead you.

"Branko mentioned the Excalibur, used by HIMARS" lol what!?! At this point i'm just going to assume that you're drunk or just trolling me.

Good that you could admit that Branko was right, still not sure why you continue discussing other price before the war even began and the current global shortage of 155mm shells. Until the shortage is gone might as well discuss the hypothetical price of 155mm shells if they were growing on trees, would be just as relevant.

"when you deny that Ruzzia is sending soldiers in Golfcarts to the front" cite where i deny that Russia is using golfcart like vehicles? Or shamefully just ignore this point and change the subject yet again.

"Or would you want to admit that 60 billion is the US aid is on top of the EU aid and is more that the rate given on previous years and that you are lying when trying to make it appear otherwise?"
Ohh boy, you actually believed that one too, huh? You know, it would help to develop some critical thinking skills instead of just blindly believing everything that you wish to be true. Let me explain so you don't set yourself up for another disappointment. Just because USA approves aid to Ukraine for $X (what congress passes) doesn't mean that $X will make it to Ukraine. In fact most will stay in US and only a small portion of that $Y will make it to Ukraine (what Kiel Institute accounts for). Just look into the previous $113B congress passed

Quote from: https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/21/politics/war-funding-ukraine-what-matters/index.html

$113 billion: Where the US investment in Ukraine aid has gone
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The largest chunk has gone directly to help Ukraine’s military

The US has actually spent a bit more than $43 billion on security aid for Ukraine since Russia’s invasion in February 2022.

Does the money go where it’s supposed to?

There have been indications of corruption. Zelensky, for instance, replaced the leadership at his defense ministry just before traveling to the US to address the United Nations and appear at the White House with Biden.

And let me spell this out so you don't get confused on this one too, I'm only talking about USA, sure Brits just committed $0,6B and other countries commit too

"by your comments that Ukraine is just playing golf with the Scalps" are you sure you're not confusing me with someone else here? Or are you just bot that just generates positive messages to keep up Ukraine's morale?

Finally, it's getting ugly out there for Ukrainians guess they decided to completely shred the constitution and citizens rights, hope everyone who has Ukrainian passport here managed to renew it or it's a one way ticket... Anger among Ukrainians in Poland as Kyiv halts passport renewals