Quote from: paxmao on Today at 07:08:38 PM

Quote from: DaRude on Today at 05:08:14 PM

Quote from: paxmao on Today at 02:47:52 PM

The important things:

- Ukraine knows what works and what does not.
- Ukraine can hit oil facilities. I expect that now to happen after the US elections. Latest drones are above the 1000 km of range (some say 3000 km, but I am not giving yet credit unless I see evidence).
- Ukraine has learnt from the Surovikin line and now has its own.
- Ukraine can stop Ruzzia in the front, is willing to do so and is willing to bleed Ruzzian economy hard.

I see that there is a clear direction. Optimal result: Crimea cut from railway lines this year.

I get that you're trying to concentrate on the positives, but at this point a child can see that cherry picking some facts that are adventitious to you usually means that someone is trying to mislead you.

"Branko mentioned the Excalibur, used by HIMARS" lol what!?! At this point i'm just going to assume that you're drunk or just trolling me.

Good that you could admit that Branko was right, still not sure why you continue discussing other price before the war even began and the current global shortage of 155mm shells. Until the shortage is gone might as well discuss the hypothetical price of 155mm shells if they were growing on trees, would be just as relevant.

"when you deny that Ruzzia is sending soldiers in Golfcarts to the front" cite where i deny that Russia is using golfcart like vehicles? Or shamefully just ignore this point and change the subject yet again.

"Or would you want to admit that 60 billion is the US aid is on top of the EU aid and is more that the rate given on previous years and that you are lying when trying to make it appear otherwise?"
Ohh boy, you actually believed that one too, huh? You know, it would help to develop some critical thinking skills instead of just blindly believing everything that you wish to be true. Let me explain so you don't set yourself up for another disappointment. Just because USA approves aid to Ukraine for $X (what congress passes) doesn't mean that $X will make it to Ukraine. In fact most will stay in US and only a small portion of that $Y will make it to Ukraine (what Kiel Institute accounts for). Just look into the previous $113B congress passed

Quote from: https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/21/politics/war-funding-ukraine-what-matters/index.html

$113 billion: Where the US investment in Ukraine aid has gone
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The largest chunk has gone directly to help Ukraine’s military

The US has actually spent a bit more than $43 billion on security aid for Ukraine since Russia’s invasion in February 2022.

Does the money go where it’s supposed to?

There have been indications of corruption. Zelensky, for instance, replaced the leadership at his defense ministry just before traveling to the US to address the United Nations and appear at the White House with Biden.

And let me spell this out so you don't get confused on this one too, I'm only talking about USA, sure Brits just committed $0,6B and other countries commit too

"by your comments that Ukraine is just playing golf with the Scalps" are you sure you're not confusing me with someone else here? Or are you a bot that just generates positive messages to keep up Ukraine's morale?

Finally, it's getting ugly out there for Ukrainians, guess they decided to completely shred the constitution and citizens rights, hope everyone who has Ukrainian passport here managed to renew it or it's a one way ticket to execute American KPIsAnger among Ukrainians in Poland as Kyiv halts passport renewals

Lying or misreading little troll??

- Ruzzia is sending people in unarmoured vehicles to the frontline. did you lie or misread?
- 60 Billion is nearly as much as the aid sent by US in two previous years - regardless if sent in weapons or cash - Now I know you have not misread, so this one is lying for you. The rest... textwalling, your favourite when your are caught.
- Fronts collapsing... Lying or lying? (I cannot give you the honourable option).

Excalibur shells are used for long range expensive targets. Are you trying to imply that is not the case?i

(I did say HIMARS because I was thinking of the rocket, but they are fired by conventional artillery, so I am happy to correct THAT, which is irrelevant to the case)

Branko is trying to imply that shells fired by Ukraine cost 100.000 US which is not the common case. See, he does not lie, just uses partial information. I am sure you are very familiar with using partial information uh? But let's just quote the same source:

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https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-us-excalibur-artillery-shell-accuracy-2023-4

So now that you bring the topic, and for the benefit of those soldiers and people that you are trying to get to their deaths by trying to deny what this means: Excalibur is one shot one kill. Would you like to be on the receiving end thinking... "oh well, at least it costed them a lot".

People living Ukraine... yes it happens. See below a link.... about people leaving Ruzzia... Boiling frogggggg

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/border-fear-then-relief-men-fleeing-russia-2022-10-05/

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For the men leaving Russia after vast journeys across the world's biggest country, there is now often a final ordeal: visceral fear at the border followed by a rush of relief for those who reach the other side.
Hundreds of thousands of men have left Russia since President Vladimir Putin invaded Ukraine on Feb. 24. Some feared they would be called up to fight, others simply sought new lives after war changed Russia more dramatically than at any time since the 1991 collapse of the Soviet Union.

What did i missread or lie about? Shall we try a third attempt at forming a full question? You must be really slow to understand so let me try this one last time. I'm don't pretend to be a military expert so i don't speculate on daily events. As far as your so called "golfcarts" i have no idea if they're good or bad, but few questions come to mind from the top:
Would the occupants survive an anti-personnel mine?
Is it heavy enough to set off an anti-tank mine?
Do UAs rules of engagement allow Javelin use against a "golfcart" with one or two occupants?
What's easier to target with a drone, such "golfcart" driving at speed vs infantry on foot?
With so many drones covering the front lines, i'd imagine one would want to minimize time spent in the open moving between the tree lines?
Etc etc etc ...
You've been throwing these radical claims since you claimed that switchblades would be a game changer, and making fun of RU tank cages which Ukraine has since also implemented.

Lol you still refuse to accept that congress has previously approved $113B in "Ukraine" aid before?

Quote from: https://www.csis.org/analysis/past-present-and-future-us-assistance-ukraine-deep-dive-data

Q1: Since the start of the war, how much funding has Congress appropriated for Ukraine?

A1: To date, Congress has passed four spending packages in response to Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine— $113 billion in total. The $113 billion spans agencies and bureaus and provides for much-needed support in areas including military equipment, migration and refugee assistance, energy, and countering disinformation.

Q2: Did all $113 billion go to Ukraine?

A2: No, it is important to note that not all of this funding has gone to Ukraine. A good proportion of this funding is being spent in the United States, or on U.S. personnel.

You really believe that all of $61B would go to Ukraine lol?

You made a claim implying unrealistic prewar costs of 155mm shells, Branko corrected you citing a full sentence with the current, actually relevant cost of 155mm shell. You started attacking irrelevant part about Excalibur shells and you're still the only one that keeps talking about Excalibur for some reason?

So your reply to Ukraine globally stopping providing consular assistance to almost half of its population (all males from 18-65) is an article from 2022 about men leaving Russia during partial mobilization in Russia? Hmm ok sure