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Putin also said that the ratio of "irretrievable losses" between Russia and Ukraine was one to five in favor of Moscow.

Those numbers would be catastrophic even before we consider Russia's 3:1 advantage in population. History will not judge Zelenskyy kindly if real numbers are anything close to this, once revealed. Lowering age of mobilized Ukrainian conscripts only provides hints of the horrifying dynamics

They "would"... you know.... Can you picture any situation in which Putin would go and say that Ruzzian losses are actually 5 to 1 Ukrainian? It is just ridiculous that you even try to pass that information as credible or remotely accurate.
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Can you picture any situation in which Zelenskyy would go and say that Ukrainian losses are actually 3 to 1 Russian? It is just ridiculous that you even try to pass that information as credible or remotely accurate. Roll Eyes

Zelensky nor I did not make the claim. You did on behalf of your handlers at the farm. It is just silly to post Putin speaking about losses ratio (he is probably being lied to anyway), but I did not. You did.

Are you now saying that Zelenskyy doesn't represent UA military or he's not in control of his defense forces? Or are you saying you can picture situation in which UA military (sans Zelenskyy) would go and say that Ukrainian losses are actually higher than Russian? You got to pick one here

No, I have said what is written (a) Putin made a claim about the losses ratio and you gave it credibility when is never going to be a real assessment and (b) You, as usual, wondered about claiming that "Zelensky would not give accurate information either" which may or may not be true, but I did not make any claim about it.

just read it, it is right there. But this follows the same pattern of giving credibility to "opinions" or biased data, so no surprise here.

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You literally posted about Ukraine's military making claims on Russian losses and gave it credibility [...]

You have published Putin's stated ratio. So to go to the point: do you give credibility to that or are you trying to squeeze your way out of publishing something you do not believe for its possible propaganda value? Before answering this, make sure you clearly understand the figure Putin gave.

If you ask me "do I give credibility to the figures I post", I will send you here:

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Today the official killed / missing in action figure for the Ruzzian army has reached half a million. Figures in war tend to be only estimates, but it is still a dam big estimate.

So I do give some degree of credibility to figures:
https://www.minusrus.com/en

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Personnel
~516.080 +1080

https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html

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(Click on the numbers to get a picture of each individual captured or destroyed vehicle)
Russia - 16199, of which: destroyed: 11633, damaged: 733, abandoned: 924, captured: 2909

https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20240503-france-estimates-that-150-000-russian-soldiers-have-been-killed-in-the-ukraine-war

But you can also go to any more official source, they all assume between 465000 / 510000 loses.

The other side was published in response to your claims for a full picture. I give as much credibility on Russian losses coming from the Ukrainian side, as I do for Ukrainian losses coming from the Russian side. It's hard to imagine any more biased sources than direct participants in the conflict. In fact it's kind of their job to lie to their population in order to keep morale from collapsing. But logically speaking citing such information from the involved party is just pure propaganda. But I think it's safe to say that the side that has almost daily air alerts all over the country, countrywide power blackouts, loosing land daily, mobilizing younger population, support of who's leader is dropping, and who's leadership's existence is totally dependent on the support from others, has few more reasons to exaggerate. In other words, who do you think is more reliant on public opinion, guy who's daily fighting for every pair of eyeballs, trying to gather as much publicity as humanly possible in order to bring as much attention/support to Ukraine as possible, or well...Putin?