Quote from: Meuserna on July 29, 2024, 03:57:36 AM

Quote from: larry_vw_1955 on July 29, 2024, 03:15:14 AM

Quote from: Meuserna on July 29, 2024, 12:50:55 AM

I'm in the US & I've bought a few things from AliExpress. Keep in mind, you're not buying a hardware wallet from AliExpress. You're buying a development board type device that can be programmed to do whatever you want. Krux turns it into a hardware wallet, but most people buy a Yahboom K210 to do DIY robotics. It's just a neat little gadget you can write your own code for to do whatever you want kind of like a Raspberry Pi. The Krux installer wipes it out entirely & installs Krux.

If you don't want to buy one on AliExpress, you can pay a bit more to buy one directly from Yahboom. If you click that link, you can also see a robot car using a Yahboom.

$56.99 even with free shipping. i can buy a ledger nano for less than that. hmm. this seems like something that would end up costing more than a real hardware wallet. does it need a TF card? then you have to buy that too.

Then buy a Ledger and risk exposing your coins to closed source code that contains key extraction firmware by a company that lies to you again and again and again. Even if you could get a Ledger for free, we'd warn you not to use it for anything more than a doorstop or a decoy.

As I explained, you can get a Yahboom K210 on AliExpress for around $45. Even less on sale. I got mine for $37 shipped. You don't need anything except the device and a USB cable to install Krux. Once you have Krux installed on it, you'll never need to plug it into a computer again (you can plug it into a USB wall plug like you'd get with a phone). The rest of the stuff you're seeing on that page is for using it to do robotics. You're not making a robot. You're wiping it out & installing hardware wallet software on it. Or not. If you'd rather trust Ledger, go for it. I have a buddy going through a nasty divorce. We told him before they even got engaged "She's lying to you and she's cheating on you." Sadly, some people need to get screwed over before they learn hard lessons. Ledger isn't trustworthy, but if you trust them anyway, that's your choice.

Open source is the way to secure Bitcoin. Krux. SeedSigner. Trezor. I'm of the opinion that open source and DIY, like Krux and SeedSigner, is the best option since it means you don't have to trust a company. I don't know about SeedSigner, but Krux is funded by grants from OpenSats. And Krux is far more advanced than a janky Ledger nano. Even NVK from CoinKite is recommending Krux. The Yahboom device gives Krux a large touchscreen that shows you full details. That cheap Nano has a microscopic screen that only shows you a few characters at a time and only has 2 flimsy buttons for navigation. Oh, and if you're using that Nano with Ledger Live, congrats! Ledger and everybody else has a billion trackers built into that thing. Who needs privacy, eh?

Seriously, don't trust Ledger. If we were talking about Trezor, I'd say Trezor is trustworthy but Krux is much more advanced (except it's Bitcoin only, but that also means better security). But Ledger? Oof.

Trezors are vulnerable to physical key extraction.

Look, Ledger isn't great, but it does the job.