Quote from: paxmao on August 12, 2024, 02:29:42 PM

Quote from: DaRude on August 12, 2024, 12:51:42 PM

Quote from: paxmao on August 11, 2024, 06:30:51 PM

Quote from: DaRude on August 11, 2024, 11:06:40 AM

And once again, you prove that propaganda cannot allow for a loosing scenario (craftier propaganda will allow for a downside as long as conditions are unattainable). Whatever happened is already a victory, and the outcome doesn't really matter, well, because this was already a success

And what I'm saying is when you're retreating daily and cannot protect your power infrastructure, pulling your best troops, equipment and desperately needed air-defense into an attack on some villages that don't hold and military strategic value cannot be a successful military operation, but it's not trying to be by design. That is, it's a psyop mission which can be successful if:
1-It brings a political victory i.e. destabilizes Russia from within, RU hawks will demand total capture of Kiev requiring new wave of mobilization, leading to civil unrest
2-Rogue general turns onto Moscow (Prigozhin style)
3-UA manages to hold on to the taken Russian land when negotiations begin, securing themselves some leverage in negotiations

Without achieving these targets this would be a failure. Where propaganda must constantly hedge exposure and ignore the risks. It's already a success even if UA retreats, because then i'll just claim that we managed to get some PoWs which was totally worth it Roll Eyes

Surely everyone would ignore the development elsewhere on the frontline and just believe such logic

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Dude, you are calling propaganda on facts... unless you choose to disagree in some fundamental facts?? So, you say, there are no Ukrainian troops in Kursk, they have not taken a signigicant chunk of land, they have not taken a large number of PoW and at least two on the convoys sent to repel have not been destroyed? So it is not happening, it is not much faster than anything Ruzzia has been able to pull in the last year? All that is "propaganda"?

Are you trying again and again to divert the attention to what I say, instead of what it is actually happening?? Are you trying to score a "dialectical win" of some short that will give Ruzzia back all the lost territory?

LOL - so in your world this mission is only successful if it collapses Ruzzia and pretty much ends the war?? That is the equivalent of saying that a chess move is only successful if it check-mates the opponent It is much simpler, this is a good move because it improves the situation of Ukraine and deteriorates the situation of Ruzzia.

The mission HAS been successful already within the timeframe of a few days, in terms of land, prisoners, equipment destroyed and political impact. It can be even a greater success if Ruzzia fails to send support to the area and do it fast enough. It gives Ukraine yet another card to play with in the future.

I have no idea of what the Ukrainian command will do - neither do you - all I am saying is that there are significant resources, these were gathered under Ruzzia's nose for a veeery long time, that Ukraine is digging into the taken territory and it is unlikely that they will withdraw like in previous incursions.

I understand it is difficult for you to assume that Ruzzia was so utterly unprepared for this contingency, but... you do not get "victory points" for crying.

You need to work on your reading comprehension skills. Let me highlight the relevant part so you that you'll have to pivot to something else in your silly propaganda attempts
3-UA manages to hold on to the taken Russian land when negotiations begin, securing themselves some leverage in negotiations
"LOL - so in your world this mission is only successful if it collapses Ruzzia"

And there we have it, already a successful mission, regardless if UA can even hold the land. UA then should totally repeat it, pull more troops and air defenses from Donbas into these raid missions on RU, opening even more fronts. As long as we can call them all successful in the first few days it'll be a PR win, and it doesn't really matter what happens with the mission after that Grin

Quote from: https://www.ft.com/content/5a1a4a1e-9e1b-4ea6-b2f0-257651bac62f

Kyiv blames US aid delays for widening $43bn deficit
...delays in weapons deliveries had contributed to a yawning budget deficit that has left Kyiv scrambling to find money to pay its army.
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The situation meant the country “will have a lack of money to cover salaries for our troops,” the finance minister said
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lack of US weapons and concurrent rise in military spending has meant that Kyiv will have to fund the war by cutting spending, selling state assets and raising taxes.

Nothing surprising just Ukraine’s finance minister openly admitting that UA can't cover salaries of their own troops, and calling on the "west" to send money to pay the troops. I can't wrap my mind around why they're not even attempting to hide the fact that west is sending their equipment and paying soldiers to attack Russia Huh

Quote from: Dominatordom on August 12, 2024, 09:56:42 AM

Quote from: paxmao on August 12, 2024, 08:12:21 AM

A large fire has been seen in the Zaporyia Nuclear Plant. For those who have live in another planet for years, this is the largest nuclear complex with 5 reactors in the Ruzzian occupied Zaporyia Oblast. I really hope they are burning a few weeds or doing a camp fire. A nuclear accident in Zapo could hit Ukraine, Ruzzia and several NATO countries.

https://youtu.be/mlK4a8X3FEo

Russia set it on fire, who else could it be? After Buchi and others, I have no doubt that Russia is creating terror.

Yes Russia is destroying the NPP under it's control just like it blew up Nord Stream pipeline that it built to send gas to Germany. Everyone just blindly believes that and there are absolutely no reason to even question any aspect of that. I bet when UA forces will be retreating from Sudzha gas metering station, that's sending RU gas to Europe, it will also mysteriously get blown up by "Russia". Just make sure to get more Newbie accounts so we'd all totally believe that Roll Eyes

Speaking of reading skills... Shall we agree on some of these or are you trying to ignore it as usual:

1. Ukrainian army is active in Kusrk Oblast.
2. There seems to be a chunk of land taken, lets say that Ruzzia sources speak of 140 km2. Would you like to give your figure?
3. There are a number of Ruzzian conscripts that are now PoW.
4. Ruzzian advance in Adviidka took less land, and took many months.

So... all propaganda right?

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And there we have it, already a successful mission, regardless if UA can even hold the land.
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Ukraine seems to be holding the land, and gaining land, and digging into land... I think you are getting high in hopium.

In the nuclear central of Zaporizhilla, I do not see any way in which Ukraine can put rubber tires to burn by the cooling towers when Ruzzia is in full control of the facility since like... two years??? But hey, go ahead, I would not want to prevent you to say some stupid (again).

BTW, I do not have newbie accounts and I do not need to post with multiple users.

Quote from: Dominatordom on August 12, 2024, 09:56:42 AM

Quote from: paxmao on August 12, 2024, 08:12:21 AM

A large fire has been seen in the Zaporyia Nuclear Plant. For those who have live in another planet for years, this is the largest nuclear complex with 5 reactors in the Ruzzian occupied Zaporyia Oblast. I really hope they are burning a few weeds or doing a camp fire. A nuclear accident in Zapo could hit Ukraine, Ruzzia and several NATO countries.

https://youtu.be/mlK4a8X3FEo

Russia set it on fire, who else could it be? After Buchi and others, I have no doubt that Russia is creating terror.

I do not see how anyone could have gone into the central under Ruzzian occupation, in Ukraine, start burning stuff there (in the middle of Ukraine) ....

But of course, our trolls here think that Ukraine's best move is to create a massive radioactive threat in the middle of Ukraine in a facility that is fully occupied and controlled by Ruzzia since more than a year Roll Eyes

How many times UA was active on RU land before? Are there other differences besides scale this time? How did all the previous UA operations on RU land end up? But i guess in your propaganda land, outcome of the mission doesn't matter as long as you claim all of them a success from the start.

Quote from: https://www.iaea.org/newscenter/pressreleases/update-242-iaea-director-general-statement-on-situation-in-ukraine

International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) experts at Ukraine’s Zaporizhzhya Nuclear Power Plant (ZNPP) witnessed thick dark smoke coming from the north-western area of the plant, after hearing multiple explosions throughout the evening.

Quote from: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/iaea-unable-determine-cause-zaporizhzhia-nuclear-plant-fire-2024-08-12/

The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) said late on Monday that its representatives inspected a damaged cooling tower at the Russia-controlled Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Plant in Ukraine but could not immediately determine the cause of a fire there at the weekend.
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The IAEA said damage was most likely concentrated on the interior of the tower at the water nozzle distribution level, at roughly 10 metres (33 ft) high.
"The team confirmed that there were no significant signs of disturbance of the debris, ash or soot located at the base of the cooling tower," the IAEA said.

Well, apparently you couch warriors can spot (exploding?) rubber tire fire much better than IAEA after actually inspecting the cooling tower, or you're caught lying once again Roll Eyes