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This one deserves an special mention to be honest, I just did not have the time. would you like to have tea, window? would you like some Novichok or Polonium with it?

And you of all people dare to speak about detaining people. btw Pavel is a French citizen, so he accepted to be subject to French law, which, like most countries, takes seriously when someone looks like collaborating with a hostile nation. The question is how far has that collaboration gone - guarantee free speech or actually handing over information to the FSB.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspicious_deaths_of_notable_Russians_(2022–2024)

Please, find here the list of 44 notable Ruzzian business or other leaders that ~~have been killed~~ died in mysterious circumstances after challenging you know who.

"collaborating with a hostile nation" hard to make that into more of a political arrest, having little to do with the actual charges brought up against him. So much for an independent judicial system.

I will translate it for you: Espionage - a crime in any and all nations, AKA treason if you are a citizen. I am not sure why France and why now, they may have information I do not have (I mean, I am sure they do). But if you want to dig into the topic of political prisoners... I mean, are you sure you want to discuss it??

Now to some topics of interest today:

- It took 15 years to build the depots at Novoprokovsk, it has now been burning for 8 days. Literally burning Ruzzian money.
- A power plant south of Moscow is burning - reason unknown.
- Ukraine has presented a ballistic missile, nationally produced, that claims to have range to reach Moscow & St Petesbourgh. If true, no need to ask for permission from the US any longer. This came out in the long interview with Zelensky.
- There are some information pointing at the F-16 in Ukraine claiming some kills - but it is just cruise missiles.
- The Ruzzian offensive in the donbas continues, it seems that allocating troops to Kursk is not a priority... so Kursk is on its way to become "The Republic of Northern Ukraine".

Then shouldn't he be charged with treason and proven guilty in the court of law, or is that not being done anymore and instead they just throw some made up charges at him?

Edit: And now France releasing traitors on bail? Can you translate this too please Grin

He is getting all his rights, he has been accused, detained, faced a judge and considered that the risk of flight is sufficiently covered by a tiny 5M bail - I do not know why the judge has made that decision but usually it means that he does not see risk of flight.

Eventually either the charges are dropped or he will get sentenced after a trial in which evidence would need to be presented.. or he may walk. This is a text-book process in formal terms, there is nothing wrong with it. There rest is as usual you confusing your thinking with things that actually happen.

So...

1. at the same time you argue that he should be judged, but not set free by a judge on bail? You have stopped to make sense, do you realise it?
2. You are willing to discuss this, but not Navalny... nor people arrested for holding a blank piecce of paper? Or the many generals accused of corruption in a country where every general is corrupt?

"collaborating with a hostile nation. The question is how far has that collaboration gone"
Durov gets charged with complicity in the distribution of child sex abuse images, aiding organized crime and refusing lawful orders to give information to law enforcement. and released on bail. Which charge sounds like collaboration with a hostile nation and treason to you exactly? How many people do you know that are accused of treason given a tiny bail and not seen as a risk of flight? I'm just underlining your hypocrisy and your need to defend everything that's done by the west. It's as if you're unable to admit that a western countries are putting pressure on the freedoms of their citizens. As to your whataboutism, do you apply the same expectations of freedom on "west" as you do on Russia?