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Quote from: BADecker on November 07, 2024, 08:08:49 PM

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Quote from: BADecker on November 07, 2024, 06:46:40 PM

Russia wants peace just like people everywhere.... except the warmongers, of course. Peace means fair and free trade between peoples of nations. But to maintain peace, Russia (like all nations) needs security. And in this modern day and age, security for a major nation involves nuclear weapons.

The threat of using nukes might be a deterrent to war. But unused nukes are useless when the warmonger game is played right up to the edge of a real fight. And that is where things have gone in the Ukraine war.

Russia will wait a little longer to see how Trump will play the game. But make no mistake. Russia is not fooling when they say that they will use nukes. They may use them as a last resort, but can anyone guess what Russia will really consider to be a last resort? Let's hope Trump and his advisors are wise.

West underestimating Moscow on nukes – Medvedev
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Hypothetical Question:
Let's say Putin formally announces tomorrow, to the world, that he's had enough and he want all Ukrainian troops to surrender by 00:00 hours, January 1st 2025. If they don't, nukes will start flying in a westward direction. He also adds "I'm not bluffing."

Nuclear blackmail.

So how would the world respond? There is only 2 choices available:
1) Oh okay, please don't. Yes Sir, right away. Whatever you say.
2) Call his bluff.

Option 1 - Well, once your gone down this rabbit hole there's no turning back. Your good as dead anyway, suicidal. North Korea and Iran will be taking notes and looking to replicate. Will replicate.
Option 2 - You may be dead, then again maybe not.

So the logical option is to pick no 2, as option 1 isn't a world worth living in anyway.

Odds are that if Putin is serious about using nukes, why would he give any warning? The nukes will simply fly. Some governments of the world will know it is happening, almost immediately. But most of us will never know until we see the mushroom clouds off in the distance, or until we lose our Facebook. The rest of us will be instantly headed for Heaven or Hell.

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The point I was trying to make was surrendering to nuclear blackmail is never a rational option to take.

Oh, he knows what you mean, he is just not into reasoning or proving or discussing. He is into copy-pasting slogans from his favourite MAGA shithole.

However, there are actually important matters that change with Trump election. Zelensky spoke with Trump and what came out was the simple statement of Trump about wishing to end the war promptly. I guess he has a deal with Putin, but I am not sure what shape will that take.

However, there are hundreds of billions of frozen Ruzzian assets in Europe. It may not be as simple as pressing a gree buton and stop the aid.