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Quote from: Bd officer on January 21, 2025, 11:24:33 AM

We have to admit that the best way to invest in Bitcoin is the DCA method, it is a good way for every investor. To hold Bitcoin for the long term we need to have confidence that Bitcoin will do well in the future, we need to take risks and be patient. What I have learned from my real experience, is to invest what you can afford to lose in order to hold Bitcoin for the long term. I invest in Bitcoin and forget that I invested in Bitcoin. So I prefer to buy Bitcoin even at this time, my plan is to continue investing with DCA method until 2029. Now everyone has a different strategy, one person's plan will not match another's.

The DCA method is very relevant for use by all investors, both investors from the lower middle economic class and the upper middle class. Because if explained more simply, the DCA technique looks like saving. However, the difference is that DCA is more well organized and has a regular time for making bitcoin purchases. That's why DCA is perfect for all bitcoin investors. Because buying bitcoin regularly means investors don't need to be afraid of price fluctuations. But in my personal opinion, DCA can also be divided into two types depending on the circumstances of bitcoin investors. The reason is that quite a few investors collect their money first, then carry out DCA and divide their purchasing time into a certain period of time. However, there are also those who carry out DCA based on the discretionary income they can get every month from their work salary. I think these two DCA methods have the same goal. But the first method may be more suitable for rich people and the second method may be more suitable for people with middle economic conditions. So with this, it is clear that DCA is a very good purchasing method for investing in bitcoin.

I question whether you are sufficiently thinking through the differences between rich people and poor people because I doubt that it makes any difference to hold back money for either rich or poor, in terms of advantages.. but maybe you are just making your points in a bit awkward ways when you are talking about whether or not to have an emergency fund... which everyone should have and build up towards having, especially the longer that they invest into bitcoin, but yeah, if poor people aren't doing it (which sure I know that many times they are not), then they end up getting fucked in the end because they don't have back up funds..
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If what you mean is the assumption I printed in bold, in that post I did not explain in detail why rich people are suitable to use this method. However, I will explain it in more detail. In my opinion, there are rich people who pool their money first to invest in bitcoin using the DCA technique. By collecting money, what I mean here is money that was earned with difficulty by someone before getting to know Bitcoin. Because of course for rich people who already have a lot of money, it would be very good to do DCA on their bitcoin investments. So with a lot of money (cold money), the DCA system that is run will be smoother and more consistent. Because of course rich people already have a certain nominal amount of money to invest in bitcoin. For example, I already have cold money with a nominal value of $100K to invest in bitcoin using the DCA method. Then I accumulate it every 2 weeks until the capital money is completely used up. So of course every 2 weeks I will not miss my DCA on bitcoin until the capital money is completely used up. That's why I say this method is very good for rich people who have collected or have capital money first.

I doubt that you are describing the dynamics with rich people very well, since even rich people are not too likely to be keeping a lot of value in cash, so even if rich people have access to various ways that they can get cash, many times rich people do not want to sell one asset in order to buy another, so they end up spreading out their entrance into the asset instead of investing in a lump sum way. Sure, there are always going to be examples of someone having a lot of cash or maybe selling an asset and then spreading out payments rather than lump summing, and perhaps in the end, there are difficulties to overly generalize motivations that rich people may have to enter in a DCA manner rather than lump summing into an asset whether bitcoin or some other asset.

Quote from: MorganaX on Today at 06:57:24 AM

What's happen if someone gets to wait and check the price of Bitcoin before he buy because looking at the price now, I think anytime from now the dip will come since everyone has been expecting the price to push as Donald trump's was sworn in buy he did otherwise by putting his coin at the forefront misleading so many crypto enthusiast.

Of course there are still a lot of folks who sold too many BTC too soon (and also failed to buy BTC) at or around $100k, and still hoping and expecting BTC prices to dip below $85k or some other even lower price. I would expect that the odds are pretty decent that those folks are going to end up not being able to profit from their expectations of "down before up," but hey whatever, you can continue with such fantasy all that you like, and sure there are possibilities that you might be able to buy in or to buy back at $85k, below $85k or some other fantasy low number (such as sub $69k) as you are hoping for.

So, yes, I am telling you that there is a chance.

Good luck. With such pie in the sky hopium-laden views of bitcoin price dynamics, you are going to need it.

Quote from: Yaunfitda on Today at 08:38:47 AM

Quote from: MorganaX on Today at 06:57:24 AM

What's happen if someone gets to wait and check the price of Bitcoin before he buy because looking at the price now, I think anytime from now the dip will come since everyone has been expecting the price to push as Donald trump's was sworn in buy he did otherwise by putting his coin at the forefront misleading so many crypto enthusiast.

It doesn't matter though, those coin of him are not going nowhere, it's meme coin so what do you expect? Even if the price of Bitcoin goes down because people are supporting his own coin, where do you think they will go once the pump and dump is done with that meme coin? Right, they will go back to the old and reliable Bitcoin. So it's better if we stick to Bitcoin and not any altcoins or shitcoins or meme coins that has something to do with Trump or the wife. Bitcoin is still the best asset, and for sure if you don't know, we are still in the thick of the bullish run. So no matter what's going to happen to that meme coins, Bitcoin is going to thrive for this year and we will peak in the last quarter of the year just like any other bull run that we have seen in the past.

Are you playing this cycle, Yaunfitda? At some point in the 4th quarter of 2025, you are selling your BTC?

Sure, if we go by your forum registration date (in late 2015), you have been around longer, yet it still seems problematic if you might be implying that guys try to play BTC price waves, absent considering how long that they have been accumulating bitcoin and if they might have had reached some status of overaccumulation, which you might have had greater chances of reaching such status than other forum members given that you have already been through a couple of cycles and even getting close to 10 years in bitcoin.

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Quote from: MorganaX on Today at 06:57:24 AM

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Believe me the price of bitcoin is still at dip comparing to what it will be in a long time run adopt the DCA strategy and accumulate Bitcoin gradually irrespective of the price and hodl for long time 4-10 and above.

It does not seem very accurate to proclaim that bitcoin is in dip, yet instead to just say that dip or not does not really matter in regards to someone who might be in his earliest stages of accumulation - or who might not have gotten enough or more than enough BTC.

I doubt that it is easy for either a newbie or someone who does not quite understand bitcoin to consider bitcoin to be in a dip, when he looks at the chart and he sees that the BTC price had gone up around 5x in the past 2-ish years...and so many newbies get distracted in regards to their thoughts that bitcoin is up.. so they cannot see whether bitcoin is a dip or not, which in the whole scheme of things, your whole point about bitcoin bitcoin going up tends to be correct that we cannot even tell if bitcoin is in a dip or not, so our main concern should be more in line with whether we have enough bitcoin (or more than enough bitcoin) or not... and yeah, newbies are even lost in regards to answering that question.. but it is still not accurate to be proclaiming that we are in a dip at this particular time, even if you may well be correct that the main point is that the BTC price is trending up.. which also a bit of an unknown.. so the main factor should be that any of us should be continuing to accumulate bitcoin regularly and to be careful if we are holding back too much waiting for a dip or if we are tempted to sell when even we know that we are trying to accumulate bitcoin and selling is not a good strategy if we know that our goal is to accumulate more bitcoin.

For sure, it can be difficult help to get guys in a better mindset when they are considering that they might be able to either buy more bitcoin by waiting or that they had already sold with a similar expectation when the fact of the matter is that they are not even close to having enough bitcoin so for the most part they are just lost in a kind of trading mentality rather than a persistent, consistent and regular buying mindset... which will end up having way greater chances of paying off for them if their timeline might happen to be 4-10 years or longer...

and by the way, even if a guy has been in bitcoin for a couple of years, each time he buys bitcoin, he should be considering whether his investment timeline for the new BTC purchase is 4-10 years or longer, even if he has some purchases that he already made that are 1, 2, 3 or more years old. Of course at a certain point, a guy might start to see his stash as getting to a decently large size, and he might even have been in bitcoin for more than a whole cycle, and he might even question if he makes any new purchases of BTC that he would be considering those new purchases to be for 4-10 years or longer, so motives for buying can become confusing, even when a guy starts to become motivated by how many BTC he had already accumulated and he might feel that he is not able to justify that he would buy BTC with an intention of holding it at least 4-10 years or longer.

Another thing that happens is that if a guy had been accumulating steadily for 4 years, then his average price per BTC should be very close to the same as the 200-WMA, and surely right now we see that BTC's spot price is right around 139% higher than the 200-WMA, and for sure historically BTC spot price has spent a lot of time being 25% or greater higher than the 200-WMA, yet there also have been times in which the BTC spot price was lower than the 200-WMA, and maybe even after 4 years of buying BTC some guys might still not be comfortable with either their average cost per BTC or even the amount of BTC that they have accumulated, so if they spend an additional 4 years accumulating, then their average cost per BTC should end up being at around the 400-WMA , which should be an even lower average cost per BTC...and in the end none of this is guaranteed.. even though surely many of us consider that the longer that we continue to invest in BTC, then the greater odds that we have to both have our BTC holdings in profits (so long as we do not screw up our security and lose them) and that we also have invested in such a way that we end up having more options from our having had bought BTC as compared to if we had not been buying BTC.

Quote from: ginsan on Today at 09:07:20 PM

DCA has proven to be better to use if we have planned a long-term investment in Bitcoin. If I choose a budget of 50,000 dollars, of course I will set it to buy every week as much as $126 per week and will spend 7 years buying regularly with 395 planned weeks. Such purchases will increase btc ownership more than buying at once because in 7 years we will buy bitcoin at any price.

The reason that people DCA at $126 per week for 7 years is because all that they have available is $126 per week.

They don't have $50k and they would likely never be able to accumulate $50k without some kind of disciplined practice of forcing themselves to stash away $126 for every week for 7 years.

Surely there can be some advantage in specifically sticking with a certain dollar amount per week for extended periods of time, yet there may be even more advantages to figure out ways to adjust the weekly investment amount to account for changes in circumstances such as income/expenses or other matters.,. including that it is quite likely that $126 in 2025 may well ONLY be worth less than half such as less than $60 in 2025 dollars.. since the debasement of the dollar can be quite extensive without our even being able to realize it...so we may well need to increase the amount that we invest on a weekly basis just to account for how the dollar debases with the passage of time.

Quote from: ginsan on Today at 09:07:20 PM

that's just an example, but with the initial budget we will not feel burdened by our daily income if we have plotted it in general. But it can be adjusted to be more aggressive or faster and it only requires adjustments in the accumulation stage that is carried out.

Yep.. exactly.. likely needs to adjust the weekly amount upwards, and sure there could be some time-frames in which the amount might need to be adjusted downward in order to account for shortages in cashflow or maybe some other problematic matters that happen during the investment time.

Quote from: ginsan on Today at 09:07:20 PM

If you can manage or allocate funds from the initial stage, of course our steps are only to execute routinely or directly set the automatic DCA on the exchange.

If a person has $50k right now, it may well be retarded to spread out the investment over 7 years, and there may be some justification to divide the consideration into three parts of 1) buying right away, 2) DCA and 3) buying on dips. There may even be quite a bit of emphasis in trying to front load the investment, and also if there were still some income coming in, then the person who has $50k right now would also be accounting for what his weekly (or monthly) discretionary income may well be.. so based on income, there might already be an ability to invest $50-$100 per week, so then if the guy also has $50k available right away he surely has options, and deferring investing it might be quite dumb, especially when it comes to figuring out reasonable and/or practical strategies in regards to bitcoin accumulation and balancing out the bitcoin allocation with other things that are happening in that persons life, including accounting for his 9 individual factors.

Quote from: ginsan on Today at 09:07:20 PM

The advantage of DCA does not look at the price, up or down we still buy it and there is no worry about the decline because the decline is a better opportunity.

For sure, there may well be hardly any advantage to DCA over extended periods of time, if a guy has a large lump sum amount in his possession, even though there may be some preference to invest it in gradual ways, such as $1,923 per week for 26 weeks, and even that might be a questionable tactic if it is unclear if the BTC price might be able to stay down for the next 26 weeks. I doubt that plugging DCA into any situation is really going to resolve the issue, especially if there are questions about how to deal with a bunch of cash that is right in our bank right now. If the scenario was different, such as having the $50k coming to us over an extended period, then we may want to invest all of the amount of the $50k as it comes in.. even though surely many of us would also need to attempt to account for other income and/or expenses that we have every month, so if the $50k is extra money coming in there might not necessarily be any value to spread out the investment into bitcoin, except maybe over a few weeks in the case of $10k coming in at one time or some kind of a situation like that.