Quote from: BADecker on February 18, 2025, 08:50:34 PM

Quote from: paxmao on February 18, 2025, 09:51:54 AM

Quote from: BADecker on February 17, 2025, 09:19:58 PM

Trump doesn't own those lands. They are owned by whoever won the dispute for them.

The Trump advantage is that he might be able to talk Putin into leaving some of the land for Ukraine in exchange for peace and some of the product of the land... rare earths.

The war-dead Ukrainians would be allowed to keep the land they are dead on. Their families would be allowed to return to work the 'mines' for both the US and Russia. The cost of losing.

Hopefully those Ukrainians who didn't fight, but fled the war, would be allowed to return to their family land, since Putin doesn't seem to want most of it. But they might be forced to mine the rare earths, as well.

Zelensky should be forced to do his work by the sweat of his back and brow, while other Ukrainians could use machinery.

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A few days ago, the US "negotiator", Scott Basent went into Zelensky's office and literally gave him one hour to sign a blanket cession of Ukraine's mineral to Donal Trump. Do you believe this? Does it sound like propaganda or the like? It would be impossible right?

Is not. https://www.economist.com/europe/2025/02/16/america-has-just-tried-to-grab-ukraines-vast-mineral-wealth

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Scott Bessent, turned up in Kyiv a few days ahead of this weekend’s Munich Security Conference, Mr Zelensky then hoped he’d be talking about continued financial support. Instead, the Ukrainian president unexpectedly found himself presented with a memorandum. The proposal demanded his country’s mineral wealth in its entirety.

Nothing is certain with Trump, but this looks like the type of thing that Trump would do, as he wakes up in the morning and has a old man slow pee and then gets in a rant.

Volodomyr when to Munich and spoke with the EU and the EU listened. There is no way around this, the US is not a trustable ally, while Ruzzia is a very trustable threat. Europe needs to grow balls - tank and AAA shaped balls, with a big nuke in the middle.

After this "diplomacy style" I am starting to picture a revamp of the old soviet nuclear silos in Ukraine. Either Ukraine gets a non-nuclear deterrent or they get a nuclear deterrent And as a clue, you do not get the Nobel for this Trumpy.

More nukes was never a deterrent to having or using nukes. It always has been simply more nukes.

The only way having nukes would be a deterrent to nukes would be to use them worldwide.

With tech as it is, nobody can be sure that there is not some form of nukes available to your friendly next-door neighbor, right in his garage or basement, or even under the other end of your bridge.

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Did Z leave Ukraine as tvbcof's video - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5382794.msg65076252#msg65076252 - suggests? And if he left, does that mean he is no longer in control? Or is he controlling Ukraine from elsewhere somehow?

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If Z is not in control of Ukraine, then who is, and in what way?

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Is the war over? Or has it simply changed hands... or not changed hands?

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The answers to these things lies in the amount of control God has given to Jesus in the universe... right down to each and every electron, and more...directly, through His Spirit.

The fact that everything goes on as it has since the beginning, shows that it is not yet time for Jesus to pick up His GREAT and FINAL power, yet.

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Did Trump travelled to Saudi Arabia? If so, who is now in control of the US? - Stop being an asshole BA, Zelensky travelled to Europe to participate in a conference and do diplomacy behind the scenes.

The US meanwhile is "stablishing normal relations with Ruzzia" to Europe's concern. Europe's concern is likely to become Europe's common army in the next decade.

Re Nukes, yes... the problem is that if a nuclear power uses that threat to invade other countries, the no-proliferation is broken and eventually every country will not feel safe without nukes. I have already spoken of how that increases exponentially the risk of a nuclear conflict as many more countries can potentially hit each other.

So, let's start with Ukraine. Ruzzia does not want NATO troops nor from any NATO country in Ukraine, not even as peacekeepers, wants Ukraine not to have an army... As you can see these are conditions in which Ukraine will be defenceless against a future invasion, so basically giving Putin the country without oposition.

Ruzzia is not serious about peace, Putin thinks that he can either take all or at least keep on pushing for a landgrab. The way to solve this is make sure Ukraine turns this situation around. Things are completely different when you start loosing ground and not only your refineries.