Quote from: franky1 on Today at 11:42:49 AM

Quote from: BADecker on Today at 10:43:44 AM

Trump is not putting pressure on Z. If Putin and Trump are right, Z has no authority, because he didn't allow elections. He is a dictator for the moment... completely against Democracy... no matter who started the war for what reason. Z simply doesn't have authority in Ukraine other than by force... like Hitler, by force. Working things out without hurting Ukraine any more, and without hurting Z is what Trump is trying to do.

The lands of Ukraine are wealthy enough in rare-earths and other things, that Ukraine can keep itself and simply pay off its debts. Z should be removed. NATO is protecting him. The answers aren't easy.

Z has authority over ukraine land.. legally and ethically and morally

the putin-trump deals are not about the true final negotiation table talks over ukraine land.. putin and trump cant just decide on uki land

the trump-putin talks is more of a adviser-client talk before the negotiation.. whereby trump is trying to get to the route of putins needs and what putin can or is willing to concede on, in which trump will offer putin a relaxation of sanctions for..

so that when putin faces Z theres more of a deal to be made between ukraine and russia to get to peace

Agree. My take is that there cannot be peace yet. Ruzzia has serious economic problems, but they are not so serious that Putin will give in to some of the initial demands. As of now he has not moved from the positions:

- Recognition of the annexed territories as Ruzzian.
- Leaving Ukraine defenceless ( I am guessing that is to go for more in 4 years).
- Imposing elections on just a cease fire (ridiculous, as the soldiers cannot leave the front to vote, the risk of intereference is astronomical and the security cannot be guaranteed).

On the other side, Ukraine basically cannot conceede in the last two points and would need to think carefully about the extent of the first one.

Both Ruzzia and Ukraine can keep the war going. You may argue that Ruzzia takes land, but is also burning thourgh the foreing currency reserves, has a risk of hyperinflation and the rates at 20% are creating housing problems.

You may argue that Ukraine can keep on fighting defensively and that Europe is still commited to provide aid, but there will be territorial losses and difficult situations for the population.

So... I do not see peace comming in "two days" no.