Quote from: paxmao on Today at 12:34:05 AM

^^^bAll I can read in there is "they are told". They are told like in they are commanded to do something? Like in "I order you not to do this and that"? I am sure that works fantastically well in your world, but the Prime Ministers of UK and France are not "told to do" things, it is more like they tell what things will be done.

Putin needs to either confirm that he is into this war forever, or for 2 more years or that there will never be peace or... stop "telling" others what to do. The time to double down over and over on a failed strategy and sending more troops after a failed invasion is running short.

Now, Ruzzia, be a good dog and have a cease fire. I go the feeling that Trump will not just "keept the war going" like Biden, he may actually try to finish it either by agreement or by another year of attrition, but supplying the right weapons and helping Ukraine "de-crude-oil-fy" Ruzzia.

Speaking of which... year low for the Brent at nearly yearly minimum... this war is going to become very dificult to pay for Ruzzia.

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Seems like Putin is going to be a bad bad dog. He has his own pre-conditions to even a cease fire - such as Ukraine not receiving anything during the 30 days Grin

(while obviously he will be replenishing the front like crazy).

Also, he wants to keep pushing the full disarmament, recognition of territories under occupation... well, I think Trump and Rubio are about to discover how useless is to talk to Putin. First you need a significant military defeat, then another and then... may be the dog will sit.

All this publicly expressed so it now clear for Trump the degree of "respect" they have for the US.

Trump: Zelensky, we need peace
Zelensky: I disagree
Trump: fuck Zelensky
Zelensky: I agree
Macron: forms a coalition of "the willing"
Trump: Putin, we need peace
Putin: I agree, but we need to fuck Zelensky

=== you are here === ÂÂ Grin

That was a month ago...
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It started a month ago and continues right now.Â Â Grin

I clearly meant that Zelensky already offered to resign - I do not think he has any further interest in power, he can probably make a much better living writting books and giving conferences. Zelensky is the object of hate of Putin and Ruzzia simply because he dared to show how the "emperor was naked", but that is it... it does not have any other consequence for war, just for Putin politics to show as sign of "victory", and he is going to need lots of "signs" to make a "victory" out of this.

Of course Zelensky will resign, but not right now. Because right now he will continue to do everything Trump wants him to do, after Zelensky's written apology and agreement to a ceasefire in Saudi Arabia. And what exactly Trump wants from Zelensky became clear recently in Moscow after Wiethoff's visit to Putin.

Well, I cannot say you are wrong... Zelensky will eventually leave power. That is how it should be in a democracy, but I know you live in a place where that does not happen until the leader is senile, sometimes not even then.

But Zelensky will not necesarily do "as told". It has been made abundantly clear that not any peace is acceptable.

The current strategy of Ukraine is giving the US (stupids) diplomats an accelerated course on "Ruzzia Diplomacy". The syllabus of the course is:

1 - Ruzzia will nor ever renounce to taking over all Ukraine, and if possible the rest of Eastern Europe.
2 - If they say something else, please refer to number 1.
3 - If they speak of peace, please refer to number 1.
4 - If they say they are not going to invade in the future, please refer to number 1.
5 - If you are trying to apease, please refere to number 1.
6 - If for any weird reason you feel Ruzzia is negotiating in good faith... good guess! go number 1.

Unfortunately, this can only be temporarily changed by Ruzzia simply not having enough resources to keep pushing or by giving Putin or whoever is next a good guarantee of Ruzzia being defeated beyong any possible doubt - Â AKA "security guarantees".

The US will do very well in not having Ruzzia in good shape if (when?) China decides to take over the Pacific (not just Taiwan, everything else). If he is stupid enough to ignore this... well, US will pay for it.

And Putin and Zhi will eventually leave power too. Everyone will eventually leave everything. Despite your typical silly play on words, as you're well aware, the question is of timing.

No one cares what is acceptable to Zelensky. [...]

Again... three posts explaining the same thing... Zelensky is irrelevant in terms of the requirements of Ukraine to accept any peace. The war is continuing because Ruzzia wans to take over Ukraine, either now or later, and Ukraine mostly wants to not be taken.

This seems to be lasting for another year probably, unless Trump decides something else... in whcih case it is still going to last at least 8 months with EUs supplies.

Well, we know that you think that US are idiots, but now you think that EU are idiots too, to burn money and their own economies and continue letting the far right to grow for 8 more month when they know that they cannot change the outcome? Truth of the matter is, without US backstoping, EU won't do anything. They just now need to find a way to safe face, sell this conflict at least as a tie, and then draw attention away from it, to quietly let it slide back under Russia's sphere of influence, pretty much just returning to how things were in 2013 before US started this all.