Quote from: memehunter on Today at 05:24:56 AM

Quote from: JayJuanGee on March 27, 2025, 03:43:26 PM

Quote from: memehunter on March 27, 2025, 12:49:37 PM

@LoyceV, You can not expect everybody to strive for gold standards of postings ( objectivity, particularity etc.).
My last post in which I have given him clean chit was specifically regarding AI usage since you suspected that it doesn't sound human. I encouraged him though for taking extra efforts to carefully craft his responses recently.
You have a very long experience of posting here and I bet, if you want, you can criticize almost 99.9% of members here on the matter of content.
I can also bet on the fact that almost all of us started here and made mistakes regarding content. l

There are quite a few members who speak in gibberish, gobble-dee gook and even throw in a lot of buzz words to make it seem that they know what they are talking about, yet it can sometimes be difficult to determine if their posts are being written by AI or with AI assistance or they are coming up with their nonsensical inconsistencies within their own talents.

Of course, the learning process is going to include figuring out that you did not know what you might have earlier thought that you knew, so surely it seems that many of us need to try to give some of the newer members leeway to work through their learning about some of the areas that some of us might consider to be "basics," easy and straight-forward topics or even "common sense."

Sometimes it can be annoying to read posts of newbies lecturing on a topic in which it seems relatively clear that they don't really know the topic and/or their ways of expressing themselves border on the annoying, and it might seem that they would be better off to post aspects of their own experiences and perhaps ask a few questions rather than lecturing the participants of the thread.. yet even after being confronted about their style, some of the annoying newbie members will figure out some better ways of balancing their forum participation so that others might not be as annoyed with them and that other members might be able to learn from them (perhaps in a less lecturing kinds of ways).

I know that I can also get into a lecturing mode, even when I had not intended to get into such a lecturing mode, so surely sometimes the repetition of our exposure to topics can contribute towards our own callousness in regards to how we perceive some of the newer members to be expressing their views and/or their experiences about any given topic.. to the extent that some of the newer members are even able to stay somewhat within the topic of the thread with their posts.

Sorry for responding late (I hope it does not disturb the current flow of discussion). I marked your post previously, as I thought it would take me some time to get the essence of what you are saying.
You want to say (correct me if I am wrong) to senior members to just chill and give new members some time to play and learn while doing childish things Grin

.
I remember my discussion with you regarding intraday trading vs investing, and I was debating rigorously (not going to provide link Grin

). I appreciated your detailed responses back then (for me, back then is quite less Grin

), but now I am appreciating it even more after reading your thoughts on how to treat new members. Cheesy

I know a few established members who care for new members with a long-term vision and have the utmost respect for them.

I am not going to claim to be any kind of saint with my tolerance of the posts of new members, since some kinds of post contents will trigger me more into a hostile response, yet there are forum members with various backgrounds and various abilities to express themselves, and surely some of the members will improve in their perspectives and also their abilities to express themselves in ways that are potentially helpful to other members.

Sometimes members will also explain their own process of coming around to bitcoin or searching for ways to get bitcoin in their own country, and perhaps on some grander level, we might consider their experiences to NOT be very interesting, yet if we consider what they are saying within their own timeline of learning about bitcoin, we might be able to recognize how they might have gone down some worse road, but then learned how to adjust and perhaps reroute their own journey in such a way that some of the newer members might be able to relate to their perspectives - including the various paths that they had to take along the way.

Some new members might also have a lot of bad and even dumb ideas at various points in their journey to bitcoin, yet after they go back and forth arguing about their perspectives, they might also come to realize that they need to tweak some of their ways of thinking and including following up with better practices, such as starting to buy bitcoin regularly or something else that might relate to investing into bitcoin rather than either trying to trade bitcoin or get sucked into various shitcoins... and some of their journey might involve getting distracted into some bad ways of thinking about bitcoin and perhaps not even knowing what bitcoin is, and perhaps relevant to this thread, some of them might make mistakes of overly relying on the assistance of AIs to write their posts, which surely would be problematic if they don't end up correcting their ways if they are going down some of those kinds of paths.

I have a friend in real life who from time to time, I request to submit reports to me about certain topics related to his studying projects (like early college level kinds of reports), and this friend, submits me very shitty reports that I believe are either written by AI and/or the friend is copy and pasting ideas from various articles and proclaiming that he had written them...and to me it is just gibberish or seemingly coming from some other person (as compared to my regular interactions with the person, whether in writing or in person). When I tell him that he needs to figure out ways to write better reports so that he can improve himself and to create his own ideas rather than copying and pasting a bunch of blather, he sometimes will still insist that he had done the work, even though I continue to say that his report is not at a good enough standard and it does not have the right kind of a feel to it, yet he may well continue to act as if he had written the report, which truly cannot be true, based on the way that the report had been written...

So what I am trying to say is that it can take folks a long time to motivate themselves to want to learn how to do the work of thinking for themselves and also to spend time to attempt to present their own ideas in ways that are interesting rather than copying and pasting or relying on some kinds of cheating mechanisms that results in gibberish that is not even reflective of their own thoughts and/or ideas.

I don't even have any problems with some people having boring and dumb ideas as long as they are coming up with the ideas themselves and they are attempting in measures to organize and present their ideas rather than either copy and pasting from some other source, or using some kind of an AI service that results in a mish-mash of ideas from others and perhaps having a few of their ideas also interweaved within the presentation(s).

My native language is English, and many years I have been learning Spanish, so frequently if I write in Spanish, I will write my first draft in Spanish, and then I will look at its translation in English and then have some translation program give me suggestions about how to write it better in Spanish, so then I am learning how to say my thoughts in a better way in Spanish but at the same time, most of the time, I had written the original draft in Spanish and I don't always accept all of the suggested changes to my version. In my earlier years of using those programs, I still would try to write my own version in Spanish first, yet I knew that when I was in a hurry, I might just write my version in English first, and then see how it is translated. Surely it was easier to write the draft in English first, but if I wrote the draft in English first, then I would not tend to learn anything from the process of using the translator tool, and so I still believe that the process of reading and/or writing becomes easier when we figure out how to do some of the practicing in ways that we learn, and it will also help us to improve oral comprehension and speaking skills too.

There are likely forum members who have gotten much better in English over the years through their forum interactions, yet surely some forum members are more disciplined than others to make sure that they are ongoingly learning how to understand the posts of others and how to express themselves better so that they are not speaking in gibberish, so we might not even realize that their in-person English skills are not very good.. because they are using the translation tools to help themselves to learn and they get better and better in their own post-drafting skills (and likely their reading comprehension in English improves too).