Quote from: philipma1957 on April 19, 2025, 12:23:14 PM

Quote from: bettyonline4656 on April 14, 2025, 01:59:03 PM

I struggle to understand why some people paint President Trump as the villain in this tariff war. Let’s not forget that China has long banned or restricted many U.S. products and services. Trump’s tariffs are a response to China’s unfair trade practices, which have persisted for over a decade. Beyond tariffs, China blocks major U.S. companies like Facebook, Twitter, and Google from operating in its market. In my view, China hasn’t been playing fair. They restrict foreign goods and services in their country while expecting open access for their own products abroad. That’s hardly equitable. I’m surprised the U.S. didn’t act sooner. If China wants tariff-free trade, they should remove their own tariffs and restrictions on U.S. products and services. If they refuse, they have no right to complain about U.S. retaliation.

He tariff everyone but Russia.

He turned tariffs on and off and on and off and on and off.

Now notice I gave you a merit as the question is legit.

China basically is enforce slave labor and 75% of its people are force to work in bad conditions for low pay.

So if you want to fuck China for doing this why is Trump fucking with the other countries?

Is he a moron or is he clever?

Well lets see the map of the arctic ocean

okay USA Russia Norway Greenland and Canada

So here is a fuck China plan :

1)Make friends with Russia
2)Grab Greenland
3)Melt the Icecaps
4)Retake the Panama Canal (USA lost it due to the traitor Jimmy Carter)

That is a hard fuckover to China.

Why does Trump do these crazy tariffs on and off and on and off.

Because he does not want the world to point out the 4 step plan I just shown to you.

What do you think?

bettyonline, you are wrong on that by miles; renegotiating tariffs with China WHILE retooling America (so that we could actually manufacture products) would have been something to think about if he was acting in good faith.
On the aside of all that: 'actually' ramping up manufacturing just about anywhere in the U.S. isn't going to be smooth. Wages and environmental protections will be a hinderance.

On the other hand maybe not? Based on some of the observations from Philipma:
Over the last couple of decades we have been becoming more aware (aka "woke") of the exploits in the Capitalist System and the world has been trying to change course. Dialing it back on extracting resources, polluting the water and air or impinging on the sovereignty of nations for want or gain.

Trump wants all of those constraints removed out of 'his' way not the people of America but for the corporation of America, to profit the 1%.
Money is so deeply entrenched in politics that they are saying all the things out loud that used to be hushed and considered corrupt.
He brags about how much money his friends made on the stock market because of his on and off again tariffs?

He might be the best thing that has happened if it finally makes us figure out how to get capitalism to work for humanity without exploitation. It seems he is going a little too far too fast and picking fights within "the establishment" ---Harvard for one.

If not: he already has a privatized prison system for labor as a nice foundation, a country who can't come together (or even agree on reality ;-))
All the things he wants to do are clear. The people who will benefit will be the same ones who always do and it isn't us plebs or the 1% wannabees.

I finally understand one of my favorite comedians George Carlin "There's a Club and We Ain't In it".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nyvxt1svxso&ab_channel=SkyEcho7