Quote from: Ambatman on Today at 07:56:39 PM

Quote from: Biodom on Today at 07:17:38 PM

If, in the future, you will mostly use bitcoin for payment means that you need to earn in bitcoin, otherwise your bitcoin stash would diminish.
With bitcoin being deflationary, it is not an easy task.

Personally, i would prefer to simply loan some btc to a "bitcoinbank" providing that it will give me the yield in bitcoin.
Currently, when you take a loan against your btc, THEY ask for 10-12% yearly (in cash), which is outrageous.

I have seen the numbers of 4-8% interest in bitcoin for your bitcoin.
Blockstream was talking about it, but I am not sure whether it was finalized or not.
Realistically, it would probably be around 4% and not 8%, but we shall see.

Additionally, if you can go in and out with ETFs (creation/redemption), it would nice too .

This gives away your control over your funds but from the perspective of lending
I understand your view especially with returns in Bitcoin .
Blockstream Yield Fund, is set to launch in Q2 2025 aiming to offer 1.5-3% APY.

I am curious as to why Blockstream puts out a 1.5-3% number when Coinbase Asset management is talking about 4-8%.
https://www.coinbase.com/blog/coinbase-asset-management-launches-the-coinbase-bitcoin-yield-fund

This is strange, but, perhaps, they would use a different strategy and the one used in the future by Coinbase is more risky and, hence, more rewarding, maybe.

The final comment: why US citizens are always being restricted in using these funds?
Anything new in bitcoin or anything else-US is always a restricted area.
Mind you, only schmucks like us (individuals) are being restricted, corporate may always open a branch in a non-restricted area and participate.

Anybody here ever incorporated offshore in BVI, Panama, UAE, Seyshells or Hong Kong? If yes, please post (or DM) what worked.