Quote from: adam.sandler on Today at 08:42:45 AM

We will be back after a short break. ($110,000) Wink

How short? And how far down?

You were posting while the BTC price was in the $103.7k prices, and so is that the bottom or near the bottom, and then how long is it going to take to return to $112k and above.

You know our ATH from just over a week ago is $112k, not $110k.. and, yeah, sure I think that I get it that these days $2k is a kind of rounding error. At times in 2022, $2k would have had been around 10% or more, and these days $2k is a wee bit less than 2%.

Quote from: philipma1957 on Today at 02:11:51 PM

Quote from: philipma1957 on Today at 12:04:49 AM

post Memorial Day sale this weekend. cheap corn put your orders in.
I have 3 pieces on order

i got some at 103.5

i have 101.7 next buy

I will admit that I had buy orders starting around $106k.. so yeah, they are about $3k-ish apart until $74k.. then they go towards $2,500-ish increments. Even the last dump into the $74ks, my orders were not knocked into the $2,500-ish increments.

I will admit that out of boredom, from time to time, I will thrown in some extra buy orders... so yeah, I suppose any of us can be guilty of "wanting to do something" rather than just waiting... have to do end of the month calculations, too.

Quote from: OutOfMemory on Today at 03:52:58 PM

Quote from: JayJuanGee on Today at 02:02:07 AM

Oh yeah, and 20 months is a whole fuck of a lot for a delay, which gosh might even have had gotten us into late 2023 prior to the October/November 2023 price run... but surely we cannot turn back the clock.. even though those would have had been upper $20ks and just below $30k prices in that time... which is a $80k price differences, if it would have had been possible to get the money in early October 2023.

TBC, the trial should have lasted 10-12 months, so the delay was "only" 8-10 months, i was talking about the $60k range the price was at, around that time.
I'm quite good at the waiting game (also thanks to Bitcoin's cycles), but i got increasingly uncomfortable feelings while watching the BTC price going up slowly but steadily.
However, i'm actually very happy that the wait is definitely over now, but i'm no more that type that get's overly excited about things, because doing so depletes quite some of my dopamine. Staying humble after big success is the farsightedly better option there.

Surely, there can be ways to attempt to read the positive out of the situation, and there can be some kinds of feelings like a kid in the candy store when more money comes available.. and I recall having some periods like that in 2013, 2014, 2015 and even into 2016, when I was still considering any extra money to come in would be considered for allocation into bitcoin within the three categories 1) buy right away, 2) defer by time (DCA) and/or 3) defer by price (buying on dips).

I have kept those same practices that I played with between 2013 and 2016, yet after 2016, I have had more reservations to strictly throw new cash into bitcoin, as I had done between late 2013 and 2016.

Yet, surely in 2022 and 2023, I had two noteworthy incidents that had caused me to allocate new money into bitcoin in the first one with the BTC price dropping below the 200-WMA for extended periods starting with its drop below $20k in about June 2022 and also in the second one I had the pleasure of having to deal with a decently large cash windfall, which ended up going into my structurally adding bitcoin buy on dip orders in which only a portion of them ended up filling.. so the extent to which they did not fill ended up getting folded into available cash.. with my somewhat leaving the matter up to fate.. and at that point in mid-2023, fate had it that bitcoin prices would ONLY drop into the $24ks.. which subsequently caused any of my buy orders below $24k to have had rolled into cash for me to spend.. .and sure that money from those buy orders below $24k was not really liberated until around mid 2024.

Quote from: sirazimuth on Today at 04:54:35 PM

Quote from: Paashaas on Today at 07:22:28 AM

...Congratulations with you early retirement Sirazimuth!....

Thank you (and everyone else) though at 67, I'm not sure I consider it "early".
But hey, if I live to a hundred, I suppose I would then indeed call this an early retirement. And if that happens, I'll be sure to post about it right here on this here famous thread
because we all know the Wall Observer will still be going strong on page one million, three hundred thousand, two hundred and thirty three.
....and bitcoin will be at page parity no doubt... perhaps, perhaps?

In 33 years.. bitcoin is ONLY going to be $1.323 million..

Holy cow!!!!!!

The BIGGEST bear that I ever did witness... unless you meant to say post parity, which then I could forgive you for your blunder.. must be senility kicking in upon retirement. Cry

By the way, to get post parity from page parity, you merely multiply x 20, which would make your earlier claim of $1.323 million to be $26.46 million, which also might be a wee bit bearish, if we are talking about around a 33 year timeline.

Ok... I did a bit more research, and my current projection of the 200-WMA out to mid 2058 does show as $6,462,443... which does make a $26.46 million to be more in the ballpark than $1.323 million, yet perhaps more than 25% greater than the 200 WMA might even be more easonable, which would be a little over $8 million.... so that would be my current ballpark call for mid 2058.

Quote from: Biodom on Today at 05:49:12 PM

Quote from: sirazimuth on Today at 03:00:40 AM

First day of official retirement so thought I'd go with a bottle of that Dom Purge bubbly stuff. (or wtf that pretentious crap is called)
Because celebration.... yee haaa!
GO BITCOIN

Congrats!

I cannot make myself to "pull the trigger" yet and nobody forced me too, either.
I guess it is because i got the current job only a few years ago, so I am probably almost at the peak of job competency, but it isn't boring yet.
It might change as the upper management starts to piss me off lately with ever growing demands.

All of that is in the picture, plus a strange feeling that the job is real, while cap gains are not, which is silly, of course, but I just can't shake it off yet.
Volatility does not help as I remember 2018, 2020 and 2022 all too well.
Hodling through was challenging back then.

Volatility is why we should be striving to use the 200-WMA to valuate our BTC holdings and our projected withdrawal rate. Yeah, I know that previously you had said that you needed around 5x more than what I would have had considered to be a reasonable threshold level for passive income in the west, so perhaps instead of the $80k per year that I tend to propose, you may well need something in the ballpark of $400k per year or perhaps you can give a number that you consider to be reasonable for your annual income, and of course, with my formula for sustainable withdrawal I consider that bitcoin will outperform the dollar sufficiently well (including using the 200-WMA as your valuation measurement) that you would be able to count on being able to increase your income between 5-10% each year and still your bitcoin will likely continue to grow faster than you withdraw it... So with a 7% debasement of the dollar rate, then on year two $400k would become $428k, on year 3 it would become $458k, etc etc etc.

So if you really do need something like a $400k per year income, then currently you would need to have at least 83.48 BTC, which the amount that you need for that level of income is coming down on a regular basis, and so maybe in a few years, you would only need half of the amount of bitcoin, so maybe 42 BTC or less, and maybe you would need around 6 years or more for your 20 BTC to work in that kind of a way to support a $400k per year income.

In terms of figuring out how many bitcoin we need, we have to go from where we are at rather than projecting too many unknowns, yet the 200-WMA does tend to be amongst the best of the indicators that continues upward and so if it is looking like it is not keeping up, then you can reduce your withdrawal rate, and at the same time, you are the best person to know how much actual income you need on an annual basis and to project into the future.. yet I imagine you might also be able supplement your bitcoin income with the income (and the passive withdrawal) from other assets/investments that you might have, too. Of course, the formulas for sustainable withdrawal would be different, depending on the assets that you are contemplating (or that you might have in your total investment portfolio besides bitcoin).