Quote from: paxmao on Today at 08:54:31 AM

Quote from: DaRude on June 03, 2025, 03:50:54 PM

Quote from: paxmao on June 02, 2025, 11:44:11 AM

I think Putin is quite confused about what is terrorism. Ruzzia is at war in Ukraine and it is perfectly legit to hit military targets. An strategic bomber perfectly qualifies as a military target since it is a plane intended to drop bombs and missiles to an adversary Tongue

Kiev is right that they have been able to hit targets at a long range. The fact that the delivery vehicle apparently was a truck (or a lorry if you live in the UK) does not change the fact that they have effectively being able to hit targets as far as Siberia. As far as strike capabilities, it could have been carried out by using a turtle to hit the bombers - this is war and you do not get points for having a pointy missile instead of a truck as a delivery method.

Ruzzia has been caught completely. It has been said that even the drivers of the trucks were completely unaware of the presence of the military drones that were hidden under a false floor. There are videos of people actually trying to take down the drones with stones.

This operation is going to the history books as the biggest aviation catastrophe for Ruzzia's aviation, done by a country with a force 20 times smaller.

https://youtu.be/M43v9DXCOEM

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/ukraine-stages-major-attack-russian-aircraft-with-drones-security-official-says-2025-06-01/

But speaking of terror, Ruzzia however targeted cities and civil locations. Seems like Putin has some issues with definitions.

Quote from: tvbcof on June 01, 2025, 08:17:14 PM

Quote from: paxmao on June 01, 2025, 07:39:00 PM

Quote from: LTU_btc on June 01, 2025, 06:45:26 PM

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Yup, Russia took a very significant hit. Â That ain't no lie.

One thing I've noted is that Russia has a strong tendency to defer on the use of certain techniques until after the techniques are used against them. Â Often _shortly_ after. Â Cluster munitions come to mind.

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I have to say that the Russian civilians who took extraordinarily risky action to stop many of the attacks have truly earned my respect. Â Based on my observations of the reactions of Western civilians in the face of a need for action, such a thing would surprise me very much in most of the 'West' these days.

That is false information, Ruzzia used cluster munitions very early and well before Ukraine.

So, some civilians started throwing stones a short distance to a drone loaded with high explosive flying in their proximity. You are basically respecting idiots (and that explains many things).

Quote from: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/01/world/europe/bridge-collapse-russia.html

A bridge overpass in western Russia collapsed late Saturday, derailing a passenger train underneath and killing at least seven people and injuring dozens, officials and the state news media said...In a separate episode, Ukraine’s military intelligence agency, the HUR, said in a statement that Ukraine had blown up a Russian military train that was traveling toward Crimea through a part of the Zaporizhzhia region occupied by Russian forces...Aleksander Bogomaz, the governor of Bryansk, said in a statement that seven people died as a result of the derailment in that region. Mr. Bogomaz added that 47 people, including three children, were taken to medical facilities.

Quote from: https://apnews.com/article/russia-train-derailment-bridge-collapse-bryansk-kursk-ecb3dec296f962a1ab5134c38845281e

Explosions caused 2 bridges in western Russia to collapse, officials say. 7 people were killed
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The first bridge, in the Bryansk region on the border with Ukraine, collapsed on top of a passenger train on Saturday, causing the casualties.

Quote from: https://p.dw.com/p/4vGNt

The ministry also said that Rubio expressed condolences over deaths that occurred when two bridges were blown up in separate Russian regions bordering Ukraine.

The US State Department said Rubio reiterated US President Donald Trump's call for continued direct talks between Russia and Ukraine to achieve "a lasting peace."

Yet another silly attempt to confuse the ignorant, no one is saying that military airfield is not a military target, a passenger train with children on the other hand is an act of terrorism by everyone's definition.

Please, provide the whole picture. This railway line was being used to supply the frontline. The railway is a perfectly valid target. Just a more clear example: You start landing civilian planes on an airport that has also military use and military planes landing there or you start storing munitions under a civilian building.

TBH, lots of problems with definitions from your side. e.g. a misile hits a restaurant in Odessa - it is just war, but a railway line gets blown with undesired collateral casualties - that is terrorism. You seem to forget the massive use of Shahed and missiles on Ukranian cities, but become all sanctimonious about this.

Ruzzia should stop pretending that the war is something that happens far away and that they can go on with their lives while Ukrainian civilians are massacred every day. And if Ukraine would want to kill people for the shake of it, it would already do it - it is very easy, does not require tech and anyone can do it, or do you think Ruzzia has the monopoly?

https://www.hrw.org/news/2025/06/03/ukraine-russia-using-drones-attack-civilians

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In 2024, Russian drone strikes killed dozens of civilians and injured hundreds more in the city of Kherson, in apparently deliberate or reckless attacks that constitute war crimes.
The attacks have the apparent purpose of instilling terror in the civilian population in Kherson, part of a widespread attack against that population.

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2025/05/un-commission-concludes-russian-armed-forces-drone-attacks-against-civilians

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UN Commission concludes that Russian armed forces’ drone attacks against civilians in Kherson Province amount to crimes against humanity of murder

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/russian-drone-fragments-set-kyiv-apartment-building-ablaze-official-says-2025-05-24/

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Russia launches war's largest air attack on Ukraine, kills at least 12 people

I guess that now you are going to tell me that today's strike in Kerch Bridge is also "terrorism"?

https://www.euronews.com/video/2025/06/03/ukraine-strikes-kerch-bridge-in-crimea-with-underwater-explosives

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Ukraine strikes Kerch bridge in Crimea with underwater explosives

Quote from: BADecker on June 03, 2025, 04:17:56 PM

Quote from: paxmao on June 03, 2025, 07:17:23 AM

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You are simply trying to confuse the issue, as always. Even if the things you say about the START Treaty are true, the point is the same as always. Russia is winning on the ground, and has the capability to do much more damage.

I don't think that Russia will be forced to destroy the European NATO countries. They will capitulate to the overwhelmingly superior strength of the Russian military before Russia has to do this. Of course, Zelensky will be gone before this happens... except that he is taken captive in Russia's taking of Kiev and all of Ukraine.

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Nope, there is no confusion. You said Ukraine had broken the START treaty, but that is not true. Ruzzia suspended his participation that treaty.

If Ruzzia feels there is something to gain by using nuclear power, they will use it. The reason why they have and will not is because there is nothing to gain from it, and most likely would turn China into an enemy - and probably force a NATO intervention.

It's really simple, a tank is a valid military target, attacking a school bus just because it drove on the same road that was used by a tank is NOT a valid military target. Attacking military officers/generals while they're at a restaurant is a valid military target, attacking kids birthday party just because its going on at the same restaurant that's sometimes used by military officials in NOT a valid military target. How can you not know that?

It is refreshing that you at least acknowledge that it was "undesired collateral casualties" and not gloating over civilian deaths like i see on other resources.

Non terrorist attacks do everything to minimize the casualties to civilians. Attack on a bridge during the night is one thing, but putting a bomb on a civilian bus so it blows up on a bridge during peak traffic hours would be another story.