Quote from: DaRude on June 04, 2025, 10:54:47 PM

Quote from: LTU_btc on June 04, 2025, 07:36:38 PM

There is lot of speculations how many Russian bombers were destroyed or damaged during operation Spider's Web. So, there is visual proof of at least 22 aircrafts damaged or destroyed
https://t.me/kiber_boroshno/11537
Potentially there is more, maybe not 41, but even 22 is huge number. Also, you can see cruise missiles already mounted on some bombers, so, they were already prepared for another massive attack on Ukraine.
BTW, wondering for what purpose they had tyres on aircrafts?

Quote from: paxmao on June 04, 2025, 08:54:31 AM

Please, provide the whole picture. This railway line was being used to supply the frontline. The railway is a perfectly valid target. Just a more clear example: You start landing civilian planes on an airport that has also military use and military planes landing there or you start storing munitions under a civilian building.

TBH, lots of problems with definitions from your side. e.g. a misile hits a restaurant in Odessa - it is just war, but a railway line gets blown with undesired collateral casualties - that is terrorism. You seem to forget the massive use of Shahed and missiles on Ukranian cities, but become all sanctimonious about this.

Ruzzia should stop pretending that the war is something that happens far away and that they can go on with their lives while Ukrainian civilians are massacred every day. And if Ukraine would want to kill people for the shake of it, it would already do it - it is very easy, does not require tech and anyone can do it, or do you think Ruzzia has the monopoly?

Well, dude just have double standarts. When Russia attacks civilian objects like restaurants, hospitals, schools - it's military bases full of NATO generals. But when Ukraine attacks objects which are used for military logistics - it's already terrorism.
Yeah, it's war and it's impossible to avoid deaths of civilians. But I'm just wondering how many civilians were killed by Russia and how many by Ukraine. I guess that answer is clear.
About attack on Kerch bridge - it didn't collapsed, but it's possible that construction was seriously damaged, explosion was really powerful.

How many thousands of Shaheds and missiles Russia launched at Ukraine? How many thousands anti air missiles Ukraine launched to try and intercept them? What's the anti air success rate? Where do Ukrainians put together their UAV's is it in isolated building in the middle of nowhere and away from all civilians or inside the cities? Â What happens to a missile/Shahed when Ukraine jams GPS to bring it down so it doesn't reach its intended target? What's the civilian casualty rate to missiles Shaheds/launched? How does that ratio compare to say US or Israels and their offensives on countries that don't have the jamming technology or anti air missiles in such quantities? Compare apples to apples.

That's new, didn't see a claim that that passenger train was used for military logistics? Can you provide a source?

I am not claiming the passenger cars where being used for logistics. I am saying that the line was being used for military logistics, that is very close to the front and that Ruzzia cannot keep living as if they were not at war. If you have an area with military activity, you do not send civilian trains, you evacuate. Ukraine does it all the time.

The problem is that Ruzzia's government is pretending that "nothing is happening", but since two years to now, more and more is happening in Ruzzia and it is difficult to hide.

Are you serious in your questions? Are you trying to establish a "terror ratio"?

I do not know where the drone factories of Ukraine are and I would not tell you if I knew. Sending an inherently innacurate drone in the middle of Kiev or killing randomly in Kherson is not targeted to a military objective, it is a strategy of terror very clearly.