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Quote from: franky1 on June 22, 2025, 01:34:36 PM

i can tell whom are the gen z, gen alpha types..

the young with lack of life experience and only thoughts come from social media
the young that have never lived in a time of war(not even born before/during the 1990's gulf war era)
the young that dont learn about history because their school history teacher was more interested in selling the history of transgender-ism positives to kids

and the most important
the young who have never experienced an adult giving them a quick slap across the back of the head, and being told to stop messing around

when you are hit just once in a spot that really hurts.. and realise your not going to win the argument. you soon learn to shut up, sit down and give up the fight
you learn quick to not earn a second slap
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those pretending iran won something this month.
those pretending iran deserves to now declare world war on many countries
those pretending iran deserves russia and china to buddy up with...
.. need to learn that iran had the slap across the back of the head last night.. its time iran shut up, sit down and give up the fight

sign the peace deal, get some sanctions lifted so iran can rebuild and prosper economically(not militarily) PEACEFULLY

Yes let's totally ignore who's buying all of that Iranian oil, and pretend total control over middle east doesn't provide US a huge advantage. Nukes? Strike on an embassy? whatever the thinktanks report is more palatable for population. Thing is China are not idiots, all they care is that the regime that sells them oil which is not controlled by US stands, thus US assurances of limited strike. Netanyahu stays out of jail a bit longer, Trump gets his little military victory, Iran regime stands, consolidates and rallies around the flag, China gets bigger control in Iran, Russia gets higher oil prices, everyone wins.

Again, it does not matter if it is today, tomorrow or in a year. There is a nuclear programme, the intention is to create a nuclear warhead that can be missile launched. There are documents of the IAEA explicitly saying so.

WHY WOULD YOU NEED TO WAIT ANY MORE TO "CLOSE IT"

Propaganda or cite IAEA report saying Iran's intention is to have nuclear warhead that can be missile launched. In fact Grossi told CNN said that U.N. inspectors did not have proof that Iran was engaged in “a systematic effort to move into a nuclear weapon.”

But who needs any proof or UN involvement when it's just easier to accuse and attack.

Acquired knowledge cannot be forgotten or bombed out, they'll just build new centrifuges even deeper, so boots on the ground and attempting to create a failed state out of Iran is really the only option. The big question is whether China will allow that to happen, to one if it's largest oil suppliers, can you imagine US standing by if someone attacked Saudis? So i think we all know the answer to that. So drop few bombs call it a PR victory, and everything just continues to how it was before.

Oh, I see, so your argument is that "Iran is not close to develop a weapon" and now you go directly to "Iran does not have a nuclear weapon development programme"?

And according to you, we should trust the Ayatolahs about their pacific intentios on the use of nuclear technology? Is that what you are saying?

So Theran says "oh, no no... we want to destroy Israel, like we say nearly every day, but... no, we will not develop the weapons to do so"?

You must be joking dude.

The IAEA is as good as it gets in terms of (a) knowing (b) being in the terrain (c) as neutral as it gets.

But, and this may be the simplest way of knowing - Iran is negotiating saying clearly that they want to keep their nuclear programe. Iran has several bunkerised facilities - they do not even deny - that do have fisile material and they are denying access for inspection. I would not need any further clues.

So, thank you, but even if there is any doubt about Iran's intentions - and there is not - the safe route is to blast every one of those sites and hopefully also change the government.

So... sorry Da, this is another Ruzzian friend that is going to have its own share of trouble - which is what actually you care about.

Israel is denying access to UN inspectors into their whole country, but i'm sure someone can find justifications for that. If everyone already knows, why do you think Israel and US is lying about Israel having nukes?

Like i told you multiple times, all of this including Ukraine, is all about spheres of influence. Iran is a thorn and US would love nothing more than get a regime that it can control, justifications don't really matter here, but it doesn't look like China will allow that. I'd rather Iran be independent regional power but looks like it's pushed fully right into China's arms.

US urges China to dissuade Iran from closing Strait of Hormuz gets the orange one a short term victory but a h'uuuge strategical mistake for US in long term. EU is fucked as usual with their sanctions lol

Then you should be asking for bombing Israel nuclear facilities - which would be of little use but very risky since they ALREADY have nukes. Are you the only one that does not know that??? Apart, you'd need to find a "volunteer" who can actually do it and get away with it.

On the strait, Iran can TRY to close the strait and face a China that would be the main looser on that. I am not sure if the US is asking China (that is kind of funny) but I am certain China does not need much asking.

Like I told you many times, if you see the world as "spheres of influence" and the people living in the countries have no say, you should not be complaining about the countries "exerting influence".

It's Iran's part of a straight, why can't it only allow civilian tankers going to Asia thru, or are you saying Iran now doesn't have sovereignty over its territorial waters?

I'm not complaining about countries "exerting influence" over their "backyards", it's when they try to expand to the other side of a globe causing proxy wars between nuclear powers is what i have issues with.

In any case, no regime change, ballistic program in tact, Israel Iron dome is shown to have cracks, non existing nuclear weapons destroyed, Netanyahu got to spend few more days out of jail, everyone is a winner. Now back to your regularly scheduled programming