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USA cuts off supplies to bring Zelensky to reason.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgk33k204ddo

Macron phones Putin.

https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20250701-macron-urges-putin-accept-ukraine-ceasefire-first-phone-call-since-2022-russia-france

Than calls Zelensky to remind that, the old masters are gone.

https://global.espreso.tv/macron-speaks-with-zelenskyy-after-putin-call

Thanks for Trollnews update that arrives quite a bit late. Try not to cut and paste from your farm standardised messages people in this forum can tell the difference.

https://www.politico.eu/article/the-us-resumes-some-weapon-delivery-to-ukraine/

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At the beginning of July, the Pentagon halted shipments of some air defense missiles and other precision munitions to Ukraine because of worries that U.S. weapons stockpiles had fallen too low.

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The United States has begun resending weapons to Ukraine, a week after the Pentagon said some deliveries should be paused, the Ukrainian president's office confirmed Thursday.

There are too many people here trying to lower Ukranian morale with news like this. You will be dissapointed to know that there is no easy win in Ukraine. Keep sending meatweaves, there are more than enough drones to greet them, but do not bet the house on anything like a surrender. At this point all Ruzzia can do is a terror campaign, which mostly sucks their resources but does not make a significant difference in the war.

If you understood that Biden never gave enough weapons in time for Ukraine to win, but just enough for it to loose slowly, then surely you must understand what Trump is doing here.

On the contrary, I do understand that they were never enough to win. Just as the US has never given then so little that they will loose.

The US could have and can still deliver enough for Ukraine to win, but it is much more profitable for the US the let Ruzzia send material, troops and huge financial reserves into a worthless war, that even in the best case will only deliver very moderate geostrategic results.

Around a million soldiers KIA or missing or severely wounded, air platforms that can no longer be build, stockpiles of Soviet tanks destroyed by 1000 USD drones, oil, refineries... Putin is ok with paying the price and the Ruzzians are zombified and will not do anything to stop it. Do you think the US has not calculated any of it?

I have said it 10 or more times: There are winners in this war but Ruzzia is not one of them.

It's hard to understand what you wrote there, but i think i got the idea of it.

Can you define what a win for Ukraine is at this point? Are you still talking about 1991 borders and everything else would be a loss, or it's something else?

Looks like a classic conflict of interest at play here. So you're saying that US is prioritizing their own interests, do you believe there's a point at which US should stop this approach on humanitarian grounds for the sake of Ukrainian people? What is that threshold or does US just continue to self serve their interest until the last Ukrainian (or Russia collapses)? Is there a group or a party to this conflict who's role is to prioritize survivability of Ukrainians, or Ukrainians have been picked to just be sacrificed for some greater good in all of this