Quote from: Odohu on August 02, 2025, 02:51:06 PM

This is partly the reason I only visit the politics and society section only once in a while because politics, be it local or international, is a very sensitive matter and people get punished for their political views. The situation in the Middle East is a very delicate one that involves a lot of lives, it would have been better one stay out from discussing them to avoid earning some enemies. It is not just like ordinary politics such as we habe here in which during our last general elections, we were fighting for politicians meanwhile the people we were fighting for were partying together and laughing at us.

in the US (if you mean the US or Europe) people do not conduct destructive propaganda against their political opponents, by labeling the USA as a terrorist country.
I also visit the "politics" section very rarely.
But I am sure that it is better to tell the truth than to remain silent, fearing to anger the opponent. Excessive tolerance leads to conformism.

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Quote from: Don Pedro Dinero on August 02, 2025, 02:23:47 PM

In principle I do not agree that people should be red-tagged for political opinions, but when deaths are involved I see it as understandable to a certain extent.

If I started tagging folks for their opinions then more then half the forum would have a red tag. It's just not needed, people can have an opinion you do not agree with. Just go on about your day and don't get upset if you don't agree with each other.

@OP you did the same to him. Looks like you both tagged each other. Might wanna remove your tag if you're gonna complain about his.

This is a very important issue, and I’m glad you brought it up.
There is a big difference between expressing an opinion and engaging in deliberate, systematic propaganda.
pooya87 is doing exactly that — engaging in propaganda and brainwashing. His goal is to influence the minds of Western people by convincing them that Western countries are terrorist states.

I’m originally from the USSR and Russia, and I know very well how propaganda works — and more importantly, why it works. (My former country has been recognized as a state sponsor of terrorism by the EU.)
I recently moved to Europe, and I do not want to see terrorism apologists convincing Western people that their countries are the bad guys.

This is especially strange coming from someone from Iran — a country that itself sponsors terrorism.

And of course I won't remove my tag about him! This is not a subject of bargaining for me!!! A negative tag about me won't be able to convince me to remove a negative trust from an anti-Western propagandist!

I will not remove a negative review even if I get -100 to my trust. I will not remove it even under the threat of being blocked on the forum.

Quote from: Zoomic on August 02, 2025, 05:24:18 PM

What I am seeing here is a complete wrong use of the trust system and feedback retaliation. I think the former is worse than the later.
Although, I don't know theymos's opinion about retaliation in the trust system. But I personally think retaliation will only be fine and fair if both party are on DT or both parties are not on DT (the later is preferable).

Trust feedback is for trading. Someone's political believe might differ from urs (even if it's wrong) but the person can be trustworthy to be traded with. If for instance all Ukrainians start using red tag on Russians and vice versa, the red tag would be abused 100%.

As someone said above, OP if you want your neg tag to be removed, first removed yours.

I believe that pooya87 had the right to leave a negative tag about me, and I have absolutely no objection to that.
However, I object to his wording and the defamation — the claim that I “whitewash” Al-Qaeda and ISIS is a lie.
My posts were focused on criticizing and mocking pooya87 himself, as well as criticizing anti-Western propaganda. I also pointed out where that propaganda originated and who funded it in the first place.

Now I’m surprised at how infantile Westerners seem — that they are willing to tolerate, or even justify, the presence of someone who is clearly an anti-Western propagandist.

(Yes, I may come across as rude or harsh. My words may sound emotional — but this is not emotion, it’s simply a way of expressing my thoughts to emphasize key points.)

The essence of my negative feedback about pooya87 is to show the community that this user is a systematic promoter of anti-Western narratives, and the purpose of that propaganda is to undermine the cohesion of Western society.

Quote from: Zoomic on August 02, 2025, 05:24:18 PM

Trust feedback is for trading. Someone's political believe might differ from urs (even if it's wrong) but the person can be trustworthy to be traded with. If for instance all Ukrainians start using red tag on Russians and vice versa, the red tag would be abused 100%.

Let me repeat: this is not about lowering someone’s trust just “for political views.”
The issue is that the user is engaged in deliberate anti-Western propaganda, targeting the minds of anyone who understands English or can use a translator.

Quote from: Zoomic on August 02, 2025, 05:24:18 PM

As someone said above, OP if you want your neg tag to be removed, first removed yours.

No

, I do not want that! I do not want the negative feedback about me to be deleted!
Moreover, I strongly oppose the idea that mutual negative feedback should be used as a method of pressure or a system of bargaining and manipulation.
Is that really how you want the trust system to function?

I left a well-reasoned and truthful feedback about pooya87.
Let pooya87 leave his own feedback about me — but he should remove the slander and lies.

In fact, pooya87’s false accusations clearly reveal his true nature: lies and manipulation.
That’s exactly why I took a screenshot

Quote from: AB de Royse777 on August 02, 2025, 07:48:48 PM

We have seen it all, people even left negative feedback for calling out each others dumb. From last a few years unfortunately the feedback system hardly is giving the essence of identifying a scammer just by seeing the red rating, you have to read the feedback page before making a judgement about a user. It used to be very simple back then.

that's why in my review I provided a link and gave reasons
As I already explained above, I will not delete my feedback, and I do not consider this a matter of bargaining.
In fact, I believe pooya87’s negative tag about me is fair in form, but not in content.
He and his like-minded supporters can downvote me as much as they like — that won’t affect how I feel.
But I am outraged by the lies and slander.
Is that now a norm on this forum?
I hope not.

Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on Today at 03:59:04 AM

Your recent post history is a dumpster fire of deranged insults and posts seemingly written with the help of AI. Maybe your opinions, as unhinged as they might be, didn’t deserve negative trust, but spamming the forum with incoherent, repetitive nonsense might warrant this sort of tag based on precedents set by other members.

Please provide actual quotes of these so-called “dumpster fire of deranged insults and posts seemingly written with the help of AI”
please kindly feel free to quote my posts
There was indeed one insulting remark from my side — I acknowledge that.
But the rest of my messages were reasoned, though mocking in tone.

Moreover, in the thread mentioned in the first post, I presented many arguments against Iran and Iranian propaganda.
My messages were written in Russian and translated using ChatGPT, because Google Translate is not reliable enough.
So your claim about the content or tone of my messages is simply not true.

Anyone can follow the link and read my messages themselves:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5551741.0
Your lies and slander have failed.

Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on Today at 03:59:04 AM

You pointed out yourself that trolling deserves negative trust. If that’s the standard you want to go by, then the tag is deserved. I don’t know if this is another of Excimer’s alt accounts but the trolling, spamming, spreading disinformation, harassing other users, and instigating drama the same way you are doing makes it highly probable you are connected.

As I’ve already stated above (including in my very first message), I am not opposed to receiving a negative tag, and I am not asking for it to be removed.
But I am drawing the community’s attention to the defamation written about me by the so-called “respected” pooya87 — so respected, in fact, that you seem willing to turn a blind eye to lies, and to normalize falsehoods and slander.

Quote from: Kavelj22 on August 02, 2025, 09:42:53 PM

Quote from: farsky on August 02, 2025, 01:45:25 PM

P.S. I fully understand that pooya87 left this feedback in response to the negative feedback I gave him earlier. That’s fair. But even in retaliation, accusations should remain factual. I have never — and will never — justify al-Qaeda or ISIS.

If you fully understand pooya position, why you came to reputation board and post this drama? If I understood well, you gave him negative trust because of you think he echoing narratives of authoritarian regimes (based on your perspective), then when he gave you negative trust for a similar reason, you came here as a crying boy calling the community "Come see pooya the bad guy who miss use the trust system". Right?

I share with pooya the majority of his perspectives, although we don't have the same vision angle in many other topics especially those directly related to Iranian regime. I did never think it's accurate to use the trust system to judge different interpretations in politics and religious topics. And there are many active users in P&S board who don't share pooya's opinions, but did never pooya red tag one of them because of this. You left him a negative trust first for non valid reason, he just respond to that rating. Pooya is a veteran member and a real asset for our community and i am pretty sure everybody trusts him, but this is never mean that we all share with him his side of the story regarding global political issues.

Both of you missuse the trust system. If you don't like his opinions, simply use the ignore option. If you think his opinions can be considered as a threat to others, report his posts to moderators.

I came here not only to draw attention to a propagandist, but also to a liar and slanderer.
This topic wouldn’t even exist if pooya87 had just called me an idiot, a jerk, or anything else like that.
But instead, he chose to write lies and slander.

By the way, if you share his views — that says a lot about you.
Apparently, for you it's acceptable to write lies and defamation.

Quote from: Kavelj22 on August 02, 2025, 09:42:53 PM

I am pretty sure that all this drama will end if op chose to delete his negative feedback on pooya profile instead of creating more drama.

No, I will not delete it. This is not a matter of bargaining.
However, I have never accused pooya87 of anything I cannot prove.
Meanwhile, pooya87 accused me of supporting Al-Qaeda and ISIS — and that is a lie.

Quote from: EFS on August 02, 2025, 11:43:12 PM

Using trust like this is wrong. However, trust system is not moderated. Unfortunately, there are many people who misuse the trust system and you can even see this in the Default Trust network. The trust system is a well-intentioned idea but poorly implemented. It would actually be better for the site if it didn't exist at all. The trust system is used for many things that have nothing to do with trading. It's full of people who abuse it for their own benefit.

What benefit did I get, other than general hate?
My goal is to warn the community that this user is quite skilled at deliberate propaganda.
As revenge, pooya87 slandered me, accusing me of supporting Al-Qaeda and ISIS.

In doing so, he essentially exposed himself

False accusations say a lot about a person.
Or is this becoming the norm now? So I can just write that he killed Santa Claus — and that won’t cause outrage or concern?

Quote from: JollyGood on Today at 07:35:30 AM

The feedback pooya87 left for you has been removed but the retaliation feedback you left for him is still there. As you were quick to create this thread in order to contest the feedback he left, you should have been equally quick to remove your retaliatory feedback for him too.

Quote from: farsky on August 02, 2025, 01:45:25 PM

On August 1, 2025, the user pooya87 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=379147 left me a negative feedback stating:

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Spreads propaganda of terrorist groups to whitewash crimes against humanity committed by the Zionist regime aka Israel and its terrorist proxies including al-Qaeda and ISIS. Crimes they have been found guilty of by the International Court.

Their radicalism and abusive language trying to silence the truth is clear in the ref.

No, he did not delete his feedback.
Moreover, I took a screenshot specifically to prevent him from silently removing his lie.
He has absolutely no way to prove that I supported Al-Qaeda or ISIS.