Quote from: franky1 on August 12, 2025, 11:27:01 PM

isreal do not control gaza
hamas does
hamas is the occupying power
hamas is the one which according to IHL

Territory is considered occupied when it is actually placed under the authority of the hostile army. The occupation extends only to the territory where such authority has been established and can be exercised

its upto hamas to maintain the public services such as hospitals and schools and bus services and everything a public authority has
its upto hamas

isreal is not the control authority

do you get it now

isreal as a neighbouring country does not need to run gaza schools, utilities, public services and such
but isreal is without legally needing to, isreal do warn palestinians when an area is being a warzone to give people time to move to safety. hamas when they abuse palestinians by using their homes schools and hospitals as military strongholds do not give the palestinian population the same choose, nor alert. infact hamas demand palestinians dont move
hamas dont give out the aid received to the people for free, hamas send the best food to its troops as bribes/salary to join/continue the fight. and then sell the rest at illegal markets

learn this stuff

isreal did not take over gaza public authority.. hamas did
isreal dont want to control/take over the public authority. isreal just dont want hamas in control
isreal and palestinians want to reform government and put in place a peaceful palestinian party whom recognise each other and want peace

now that you are learning about geneva convention and international humanitarian law.. put that info against hamas's actions

hamas consider themselves as the occupying power, which they ABUSE to take control of state infrastructure such as school/hospitals to then use for their military hiding places. they use the occupying power 'rights' to control justice/disorder as their excuse to execute palestinians without their acts being described as a war crime and instead local civil/criminal justice

yep when hamas steal the aid from incoming aid trucks they deem it theirs. they hoard it and if any palestinians try to take food from the hamas storage yards hamas treat the hungry palestinains as looters and execute them
yep the aid was supose to be for the palestinians not hamas, but hamas abuse the occupying power laws to take control, and use the laws to then execute palestinians who want food that was suppose to be given to them for free..

why are you afraid to look into hamas's actions
hamas are not a bunch of peaceful politicians, they are not a group that have palestinians safety at heart, they do not want civilian public services, civilian infrastructure to remain in civilian hands

as for the collateral damage, which you infer can turn extended families into extremists and join hamas
majority of the people hit when hamas is targeted, are majority families of hamas troops and affiliates. so they already were leaning, indoctrinated, familial linked to hamas
take even the so called citizen journalists that al jazeera are playing violins about this week. they too have hamas affiliation already. they were not just innocent palestinians whom just happen to have special access to active war zones and just happen to have the camera ready at the right time

when you learn the hamas troops/leaders targetted had families hit due to them standing by their man..the collateral damage of true innocent unaffiliated people is actually super low. thus chances of absolute innocent bystanders being collateral damage is low and the chance of the extended families whom grieve the loss turning extremist is low

you keep thinking isreal is just random shooting absolute innocent palestinians en-masse, reality is the collateral damage is limited to close family and friends of hamas troops/leaders.. those already affiliated to side and want to be around hamas before any attack

Wow So in you mind Israel can put a territory under total blockade, use its military to stop all incoming food or water, even prevent UN and red cross from bringing food and medicine into the territory, and then claim that it has no lawful duty to supply said territory with aid, did i understand that correctly? Following your logic to it's conclusion, you believe that until Gaza fully capitulates Israel has a right to starve them all to death, and that will be totally "legal"? What great interpretations for any madman that wants to starve a lot of people. You should collect them all together and put them in the book titled, "How to justify famine and murdering civilians for psychopaths". I think even Hitler would be impressed with such logic, bravo i guess you achieved the next level.

Yes i cannot think of a better way for Israel to get peaceful Palestinians. I bet right after burying their mothers and watching their sisters starve to death, every Palestinian kid would want nothing more than to express his love for Israel! Solid logic, everyone believes that right?

If Hamas is the occupying power, can you please educate us on who's the de jure and de facto government in Gaza recognized by the majority of the world? Something telling me that won't answer this one as well.

"aid was supose to be for the palestinians not hamas" Can you entertain us on how distributors of aid should differentiate between Hamas and Palestinians? If Hamas are not Palestinians what ethnic group are they? Sounds like another silly justification to keep region in famine.

Like i said many times i believe that Hamas committed acts of terrorism, i also believe that Israel is currently committing war crimes and crimes against humanity. Both are terrible, but Israel is operating on a completely different level/scale, and is sponsored by the US/EU, making a public mockery for the rule of law and setting a terrible precedent. Look China you can blockade Taiwan and let them all starve to death and US/EU will think it's totally fine.

Ohh wow, so now we're separating civilians, women and children into "true innocent unaffiliated people" and not so trully innocent civilians? Should Israel identify "absolute innocent bystanders" by measuring their skulls? Goebbels would definitely be proud of you! Since you're so well versed into such statistics would you mind entertaining us on how many "true innocent unaffiliated people" are left in Gaza as a percent of total population? But once again something telling me that you won't answer this simply question either.

Still no comment about how many new Hamas supporters Israel created vs how many they killed?

And after getting yourself in yet another corner, you're now just unable to answer if you support more governments recognizing Palestinian state at the UN in September?