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Re: [HAVELOCK] PETAMINE - NEW IPO, NEW HARDWARE, 1,500 TH/S HASH RATE
by
mikemikemike
on 19/05/2014, 03:32:25 UTC
*snip*

Excellent work. But the reinvestment percentage is 90% going down three - four percent every period. Could you run the numbers using the reinvestment percentage cryptX has said they are going to use?

You can find it here.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjI5bgsiFJAidHgwa0UyTHNEVG1lbDdvN2FMTExvOHc&om=true&richtext=false#gid=32

Once you've put those numbers in you'll know exactly why I've been going batshit crazy.




Okay after adjusting the reinvestment it is a more optimistic outcome and the adjustments in weeks to payback debt, dividends received are adjusted now.

Worst case still 9 weeks but total dividend to shareholders is up to 192.708

Best case still 0 weeks but total dividend to shareholders is up to 2149.708

Realistic projection goes up to 5 weeks but total dividend to shareholders up to 1142.708

This reinvestment plan CryptX has will actually extend the life on the mine and will bring the estimated year prediction up to ~13,000 BTC. About 30% better than my first prediction.

How can the dividend go up in the first ten weeks if the reinvestment percentage is much higher?

No offence but you have done something seriously wrong.

Please post the numbers

The dividend will suffer a loss during the first few weeks after IPO but the additional reinvestment will actually keep up with the difficulty increase longer than the original 35% reinvestment plan. As you can see in the realistic projection it will take an extra week to pay off the debt but the estimated BTC each week is also greater that the mine will yield. Notice how the estimated BTC column stays at a higher yield compared to the first prediction at 35% reinvestment and you will understand how a higher dividend is possible after 10 weeks of operation.  Since CryptX's predictions are based on 10 day periods and mine are on 7 day periods to equal the target blocktime the reinvestment % is down to 2.1% which when averaged out to CryptX's 10 day of 3% less will be almost the same.

Worst case.
Difficulty   Network Hash   Peta hashrate   Estimated BTC   Hosting Fee   Peta BTC   Reinvestment   Dividends   BTC to pay back
10092894592   72248.856   1500.000   523.192   130.798   392.394   353.154   39.239   1917.761
11606828781   83086.185   1500.000   454.949   113.737   341.212   299.925   221.788   1695.973
11606828781   83086.185   1680.637   509.737   127.434   382.302   328.015   248.497   1447.476
13347853098   95549.112   1834.048   483.710   120.927   362.782   303.649   235.808   1211.668
13347853098   95549.112   2001.827   527.959   131.990   395.970   323.111   257.380   954.288
15350031063   109881.479   2157.143   494.715   123.679   371.036   294.974   241.173   713.114
17652535722   126363.701   2322.413   463.146   115.786   347.359   268.856   225.784   487.331
17652535722   126363.701   2473.292   493.235   123.309   369.926   278.554   240.452   246.879
20300416080   145318.256   2610.811   452.747   113.187   339.560   248.558   220.714   26.164
20300416080   145318.256   2753.290   477.455   119.364   358.091   254.603   232.759   -206.595

Best case.
Difficulty   Network Hash   Peta hashrate   Estimated BTC   Hosting Fee   Peta BTC   Reinvestment   Dividends   BTC to pay back
10092894592   72248.856   1500.000   523.192   130.798   392.394   353.154   39.239   -39.239
11606828781   83086.185   1500.000   454.949   113.737   341.212   299.925   221.788   -261.027
11606828781   83086.185   1680.637   509.737   127.434   382.302   328.015   248.497   -509.524
13347853098   95549.112   1834.048   483.710   120.927   362.782   303.649   235.808   -745.332
13347853098   95549.112   2001.827   527.959   131.990   395.970   323.111   257.380   -1002.712
15350031063   109881.479   2157.143   494.715   123.679   371.036   294.974   241.173   -1243.886
17652535722   126363.701   2322.413   463.146   115.786   347.359   268.856   225.784   -1469.669
17652535722   126363.701   2473.292   493.235   123.309   369.926   278.554   240.452   -1710.121
20300416080   145318.256   2610.811   452.747   113.187   339.560   248.558   220.714   -1930.836
20300416080   145318.256   2753.290   477.455   119.364   358.091   254.603   232.759   -2163.595

Realistic case.
Difficulty   Network Hash   Peta hashrate   Estimated BTC   Hosting Fee   Peta BTC   Reinvestment   Dividends   BTC to pay back
10092894592   72248.856   1500.000   523.192   130.798   392.394   353.154   39.239   967.761
11606828781   83086.185   1500.000   454.949   113.737   341.212   299.925   221.788   745.973
11606828781   83086.185   1680.637   509.737   127.434   382.302   328.015   248.497   497.476
13347853098   95549.112   1834.048   483.710   120.927   362.782   303.649   235.808   261.668
13347853098   95549.112   2001.827   527.959   131.990   395.970   323.111   257.380   4.288
15350031063   109881.479   2157.143   494.715   123.679   371.036   294.974   241.173   -236.886
17652535722   126363.701   2322.413   463.146   115.786   347.359   268.856   225.784   -462.669
17652535722   126363.701   2473.292   493.235   123.309   369.926   278.554   240.452   -703.121
20300416080   145318.256   2610.811   452.747   113.187   339.560   248.558   220.714   -923.836
20300416080   145318.256   2753.290   477.455   119.364   358.091   254.603   232.759   -1156.595

Ok. Theres your problem. You have only used the new reinvestment percentage for the dividend for the first week. See where it jumps from 39.239 to 221.778? I don't think you pasted the formula down Cheesy

Thank you for spotting that! Ok after dragging the formula down WOW! This reinvestment plan is amazing for the mine and CryptX! But for shareholders it is HORRIBLE!

Worst case: 21 weeks to pay back debt.

Best case: 0 weeks but only 707 BTC total dividends paid out to shareholders.

Realistic case: 13 weeks to pay back debt with a total of 22.121 BTC in dividends paid out to shareholders.


Thanks, it's nice to hear from someone else I'm not crazy. Best case : 707 BTC. That's less than a 10% yield.

Now please, people, stop being angry at me and start directing it at CryptX. Everything I've told you is true. Now hopefully someone else has verified it you will understand why I've been so adamant about this. I'm not trying to destroy this project, this project is already dead from an investors perspective. I'm trying to save all of you from losing your money, and stop them getting rich off you guys in the process. This is the exact same reason they never wanted to fix the projections, because they knew you would see exactly what they are trying to do.

/out until cryptX deleted this post and I have to add it to the other thread.