Quote from: keymone2 on August 27, 2014, 08:57:54 PM

Quote from: Paya on August 27, 2014, 08:32:37 PM

Stop blaming others for your own failures. I know it probably makes you feel better but running away from your own incompetence won't take you anywhere. Ukraine has been independent for 25 years. That's plenty of time. What have you (not you personally, your people) done in the meantime to make it better place for everyone? A country respected and loved by all its citizens? Where people can live a decent life? I'll tell you: nothing. You, my friend, have a serious problem flowing deep within your own society for a long time. It's a problem you have with yourself so to say. Now, large number of your citizens decided that they had it enough. They don't want to be a part of all that mess any more and want to go their own way. If you really think that this can be solved by means of civil war, with what your new oligarch bosses cinically call "ATO"... you're in for a rude awakening.

"Ukraine has been independent for 25 years. That's plenty of time."

you're saying ukraine and it's territory is now up for grabs? are you excusing invasion in this weird perverted way?

You see, the thing about Russians is that their "pravda" does not accurately translate to the word "truth". There's a cultural divide there, since pravda relates to law, legality, and decree, unlike truth, which is objective and absolute, and often considered to be of divine origin. On the one hand, they may have a good point if discussing quantum physics or General Relativity, or if intuitively applying similar concepts of relativity to interactions between humans. Because, you know, "what really happened" may indeed be different for different observers.

On the other hand, none of the Russians here are discussing those sorts of philosophical things. They readily dismiss someone else's "truth", presumably because they assume that it has the same flaky governmental style as the "pravda". The mentality seems to be that everyone else is potentially lying, whereas only the Kremlin has the power to speak the real pravda. "All Western information is potentially bullshit. It's not the pravda until the Kremlin says it is!"

So you see, they have such a long history of being stubborn authoritarians that it's built into the language. Some Russians, not all. You know how it goes. Wink