Quote from: BADecker on October 07, 2014, 08:56:01 PM

Hate of people may be bigotry. But hate of their religion might be appropriate and right, if that is the way you feel about it.

The idea of Christianity is to love all people, but to hate anything that turns the people away from the true God.

It is true that hatred of anything corrupts the person and weakens his life. But, it still happens.

If you are preaching hate on a religion you are also sowing hatred to the people that believe in it.
Show me in the bible where it states it is allowed to hate other religions. I had a conversation with a couple of Jehovah Witnesses about 3 weeks ago and it was one of the friendliest conversations for one and a half hour I have had with strangers. I did not feel any hatred from them and they even gave me a copy of a bible for free.

Quote from: BCEmporium on October 07, 2014, 09:41:25 PM

Surely:

Assassinations:

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Narrated Al-Bara bin Azib: Allah's Apostle sent a group of persons to Abu Rafi. Abdullah bin Atik entered his house at night, while he was sleeping, and killed him.
Sahih Bukhari 5:59:370

Robbery:

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Abu Sufyan and the horsemen of the Quraysh were returning from Syria following the coastal road. When Allahs Apostle heard about them he called his companions together and told them of the wealth they had with them and the fewness of their numbers. The Muslims set out with no other object than Sufyan and the men with him. They did not think that this raid would be anything other than easy booty.
Al-Tabari, Vol. 7, p. 29

Barbaric torture and killings:

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Narrated Anas: The Prophet cut off the hands and feet of the men belonging to the tribe of 'Uraina and did not cauterise (their bleeding limbs) till they died.
Sahih Bukhari 8:82:795

Mercilessness to the disabled:

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When a blind Jew became aware of the presence of the Messenger and the Muslims he rose and threw dust in their faces, saying, Even if you are a prophet, I will not allow you into my garden! I was told that he took a handful of dirt and said, If only I knew that I would not hit anyone else, Muhammad, I would throw it in your face. Sad rushed in and hit him on the head with his bow and split the Jews head open.
Al-Tabari, Vol. 7, p. 112, See Also Ishaq:372

Need more? There are THOUSANDS! Muhammad was but a violent psychopath suffering from schizophrenia.

As I said in my first post in this thread my knowledge is very limited but I will try to clarify this matter with some information I found on the net. I will only touch on the hadeeths from authentic sources such as Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim. And on Al-Tabari:

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Tareekh at-Tabari was a voluminous text compiled by Imam Ibn Jarir at-Tabari (may Allah be pleased with him). Imam at-Tabari followed the classic methodology of early Islamic historians, a process which differed greatly from modern day historical writers. Islamic historians would simply compile all the known narrations about a certain event, regardless of how authentic or reliable each of those narrations were. They would copy the Isnads (chains of transmitters) into their books, in order that the Muhaditheen (scholars of Hadith) could determine which narration was Sahih/Hasan (authentic/good) and which was Dhaeef (weak) or even Mawdoo (fabricated). In other words, the historians compiled the narrations, and the Muhaditheen authenticated them.

Source and more information below:
http://thefactsaboutislam.blogspot.de/2010/08/islamophobes-think-before-you-quote.html
Well as it said in the url, think before you quote his work.

In the first hadeeth above, read the next hadeeths for the reason of the assassination.
http://www.sahih-bukhari.com/Pages/Bukhari_5_59.php
Further explanation in the first paragraph below
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=-ppPqzawIrIC&pg=PA204#v=onepage&q&f=false

As for the second hadeeth above
http://www.islamic-life.com/forums/quran-hadith-prophet-muhammad/refutation-uraina-tribe-men-killed-shepherd-allahs-messenger-2792

I hope that would give better understanding of the hadeeths.

You are claiming there are thousands hadeeths that says the prophet is violent, well bring at least one thousand more.
Since you are using hadeeths to make this claim, below are collection of hadeeths that describes the character of the prophet.
http://www.iqra.net/Hadith/sifat.php
And see what western scholars have written about Muhammad (peace be upon him)
http://www.imamreza.net/eng/imamreza.php?id=6054

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Quote from: Spendulus on October 07, 2014, 11:00:09 PM

Sure, but you can do this because you read the book.

Isn't it said that Muslims should only read the "Holy Book" in the original language, which most do not know. They memorize and recite verses that the cannot understand, because they do not know the language. Since they must not read the book in other languages, the only actual knowledge they would have of it is from the local mullah?

This seems to be an extremely problematic premise for a culture. It is very reminiscent of the "Latin Mass" of Catholics, now abandoned.

That would make a population very subject to the whim and caprice of a bad mullah.

While it is true that a Muslim should always consult people that are more knowledgable in the issue of religion, every Muslim must make an effort to read the Quran with understanding. God has given human beings with the capacity of reason to apply them in our lives and to understand His revelations, to take lessons and to apply them. Although many Muslims do not speak arabic but there are translation of the Quran in many languages available. There is nothing in Islam that limit understanding of the Quran only through arabic language, only in our prayers must one recite the Quran in arabic.
Another important source of knowledge for Muslims is the Sunnah which means way of the prophet. In the Quran it is commanded for every Muslim to pray and the details of prayer such as times of prayer, how to pray etc. are found in the Sunnah. Through the Sunnah, Muslims are also thought how to lead everydays lives such as how to conduct with people, manners, patience and so on.
Putting an effort to study Quran and Sunnah by oneself can avoid a Muslim from following a bad mullah or imam or fall into deviant teachings.

Quote from: BCEmporium on October 07, 2014, 11:03:47 PM

That's a very nice excuse, EXCEPT that what we call "Arabic" wasn't invented up to IX Century in current Yemen.
So the excuse that you should read a book, originally written in Assyrian, dictated by the VII Century in Arabic is a bold point.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_Arabic
The Quran itself has a claim that it was sent in arabic.
"Indeed, We have sent it down as an Arabic Qur'an that you might understand" (12:2)
http://quran.com/12/2

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Quote from: Biomech on October 08, 2014, 07:03:30 AM

Quote from: Sunderland on October 07, 2014, 12:49:21 PM

i think we are not hate that religion , but we hate bad people / organization who hide behind that religion to make a mess in this world

I hate religion. No, let me rephrase that. I hate organized religion. A belief system held to oneself or imediate family that harms no other, I got no real problem with. Even if it's anti reality or just plain silly, it harms me not. Or as Thomas Jefferson said it neither picks my pocket nor breaks my legs.

But when two nasty elements come together, as they do in relgious organization(s), it gets ugly. Those elements being the lust for power and the claim of ultimate authority. Most religions, I daresay all religious organizations, have a greater or lesser degree of these elements. I actually tend to single out Christianity as it has had the greatest personal detriment to me. Islam is no different in that.

The most rabid fundamentalist is harmless without backers, followers, and sycophants. Religion breeds 'em like rabbits.

I hope you can give religion a second chance. I would argue there are also organized groups that are not influenced by any religion have made many corruption and brought destruction to this earth. Lets start in the early 20th century, since this is Bitcointalk I want to mention the feds and banks. No religion was involved in the establishment of the feds just pure greed. The same goes for the banks both are stealing wealth from the majority and give it to a few. The reason usury was forbidden in many religion because it is an opressive tool, it sucks wealth from the poor and give it to the rich. And world wars, no religion involved there. Hiroshima, Nagasaki and Vietnam war, pure atrocities. There are still people effected by agent orange in Vietnam. Many more issues in the recent years that do not have any religious influence over it. And of course, not denying also crazy people that made a mess and use religion as justification.

Human beings can be the best and the worst. My believe is that Islam can bring the best out of a person. In Islam we believe in absolute accountability, if you are not judged for what you have done in this world, you will be judged in the next life.
"That Day, the people will depart separated [into categories] to be shown [the result of] their deeds. So whoever does an atom's weight of good will see it, And whoever does an atom's weight of evil will see it." (99:6-8)
http://quran.com/99
If people really take this to heart, people will really try to be the best they can. And there are guidance and lessons in the Quran to nurture a person to be the best they can.
"We have certainly created man in the best of stature" (95:4)
http://quran.com/95/4

But important question remains, is Islam the truth?
For anybody with Jewish or Christian background, MisGoded is a good book to start with.

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Bold in its premise and masterful in its execution, MisGoded by author, physician, and ordained minister Laurence B. Brown teases common threads in the complex world of organized religion from the tangled mass of religious misdirection. An earnest search for truth, this text unveils both the corruptions and commonalities of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam to fill the current void of intellectual discourse on the subject. For those readers who are intrigued but skeptical of organized religion, especially strict, literal interpretation of the Bible, this book articulates many of the questions readers have about religion, and poses others of its own. It provides a comprehensive, historically based analysis of documents, traditions and institutions. The central theme is to examine Judaism, Christianity, and Islam for truth in revelation, and trace the chain of revelation to its logical conclusion. Solicitous and precise, this text captures the essence of what it means to be a person of God.

The book is available free for download.
http://leveltruth.com/?p=1214
And the second book in the series, Goded studies the case for Islam as the completion of Revelation. Also available free for download.
http://leveltruth.com/?p=1219

As for atheists or agnostics, maybe this story can give you something to think about.
http://www.haqislam.org/imam-abu-hanifah-and-the-atheist/
If there is nothing that can convince you that there is god, it is rational to assume that there is afterlife. For if there is nothing after death you have nothing to lose or gain but if there is afterlife, what will be your fate on that time? And if Islam is the truth, the life after death will be for eternity.
I hope it would give you some motivation in the search for the truth.

May Allah guide you all.