Quote from: BCEmporium on October 10, 2014, 10:46:37 PM

So much effort into defending Islam... Roll Eyes

Defend what has no defense is a hard task, isn't it, Mr. Imam?

Every Muslim has the responsibility of delivering the message of Islam to others. Some may accept, some may not, and some dont even want to consider it. Of course it is not going to be easy.

Since I joined this thread you have been making wild claims and I am putting them here just for my reference and other readers. List below is ordered chronologically.

1 ) Claiming I dont know the history of prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him)

Quote from: BCEmporium on October 06, 2014, 08:09:02 PM

You DON'T know the History and defend Mo just because you were told to.

2 ) Claiming so many quotes in Hadeeth and Quran telling prophet is a violent person

Quote from: BCEmporium on October 07, 2014, 12:10:29 PM

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Where do you get your story that says the prophet is a violent person?

I would fill this thread with so many quotes that the database would crash!
Just read the Hadeeth and Quran... Roll Eyes

3 ) Claiming Islam condone terrorism

Quote from: BCEmporium on October 07, 2014, 12:56:59 PM

Don't get fooled by "just terrorists", Islam DOES condone with such practices. And you can count by the fingers of a single hand how many Muslims are against those violent actions...

There are 2 billion Muslims on this earth, good luck with that. See last point for islamic view on terrorism.

4 ) Claiming there are thousands of hadeeths that say prophet is violent person

Quote from: BCEmporium on October 07, 2014, 09:41:25 PM

Need more? There are THOUSANDS! Muhammad was but a violent psychopath suffering from schizophrenia.

"Need more?" Well yes, I am still waiting.

Quote from: Dende on October 10, 2014, 10:25:37 PM

I am still waiting for the thousands hadeeths that you claim telling the prophet was a violent person.

5 ) Claiming Quran was not written in arabic and claiming arabic was invented in 9th century

Quote from: BCEmporium on October 07, 2014, 11:03:47 PM

That's a very nice excuse, EXCEPT that what we call "Arabic" wasn't invented up to IX Century in current Yemen.
So the excuse that you should read a book, originally written in Assyrian, dictated by the VII Century in Arabic is a bold point.

Arabic has existed well before 7th century

Quote from: Dende on October 09, 2014, 01:19:35 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_Arabic
The Quran itself has a claim that it was sent in arabic.
"Indeed, We have sent it down as an Arabic Qur'an that you might understand" (12:2)
http://quran.com/12/2

6 ) Claiming narrations from Al-Tabari can be found in Sahih Bukhari or Muslim

Quote from: BCEmporium on October 09, 2014, 02:06:10 AM

About Al-Tabari, you will find the same or similar texts at Bukhari or Muslim.

While this may be true for authentic hadiths but the wording seems to say every narration in it can be found in Sahihs.
And so my response which I have not recieve answers to.

Quote from: Dende on October 10, 2014, 10:25:37 PM

Show me where the two narrations that you quoted before from Al-Tabari can be found in Sahih Bukhari or Muslim.

Info on Al-Tabari:

Quote from: Dende on October 09, 2014, 01:19:35 AM

http://thefactsaboutislam.blogspot.de/2010/08/islamophobes-think-before-you-quote.html
Well as it said in the url, think before you quote his work.

7 ) Claiming Muhammad (peace be upon him) suffered nothing and made others suffer. Also claiming "hijacking Jesus' legend".

Quote from: BCEmporium on October 10, 2014, 10:46:37 PM

When I refer to the strange "Jesus-Mo" link, I'm referring to such a stupid statement as "Muhammad suffered", this is hijacking Jesus' legend, Muhammad suffered nothing, made others suffer.

For anyone who is open minded and want to have more understanding of Islam and the prophet Muhammad (peace be upon) please read history of the prophet. And a very concise version of this you can find in link below.
http://www.inter-islam.org/Seerah/iSeerah.html
And see what non-Muslims that have actually studied the history of prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) have written
https://www.alislam.org/library/links/eyes.html

8 ) Claiming Muhammad (peace be upon him) to be ancestor of europeans

Quote from: BCEmporium on October 11, 2014, 12:52:22 AM

To the end, the most funny thing about it, is to see Arabs following so blindly a white guy, and they gave relevance enough for we to know he was white up to write it down. They should be worshiping Europeans, Europeans are of Muhammad's race, they aren't.

9 ) Claiming Muslims are lying. Well this is just convenient, anything Muslims say you can easily refute them by calling them a liar.

Quote from: BCEmporium on October 11, 2014, 01:07:21 AM

Was just reading an interesting text about Islam. Deception on Islam, a sort of dictionary. After a terrorist attack you may listen Muslims saying things like "Islam doesn't support the killing of innocents" or "Islam doesn't support terrorism"... well... if you can interpret this as a Muslim they aren't lying, if you interpret this as a rational human being, they are casting big fat lies.

So how come they are lying but telling the truth?

A: They twist the meaning on secondary words.

When they say "Islam doesn't support the killing of innocents", they are talking about their own definition of innocents, not the one you usually give. For innocents they actually mean Muslims, as all non-Muslims are Kaffir and therefore not innocent. And even within Muslims they may mean their own sect of Islam, as they consider other Muslims heretic for some reason.

When they say "Islam doesn't support terrorism", goes around the same. They don't interpret "terrorism" as we do, for them it is "Jihad", "fighting in the ways of Allah".

Being a liar is one way to get to hell according to Hadith below
"'Abdullah reported Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) as saying: Truth leads one to Paradise and virtue leads one to Paradise and the person tells the truth until he is recorded as truthful, and lie leads to obscenity and obscenity leads to Hell, and the person tells a lie until he is recorded as a liar." (Sahih Muslim)
http://sunnah.com/muslim/45/134
And below was my post of Islams' stance on killing of innocents.

Quote from: Dende on October 10, 2014, 10:25:37 PM

1 verse from the Quran
"Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors." (5:32)
http://quran.com/5/32
Killing of one innocent person irregardless of religion, belief, gender or race is forbidden in Islam and it is equivalent to killing the whole of mankind according to the verse above.
More verses from the Quran on this topic
http://english.islammessage.com/ArticleDetails.aspx?articleId=931
So dont hate Islam for atrocities of some Muslim groups as Islam clearly forbids anything that involves killing of innocent persons.

I put bold for emphasis. There are also other passages in the Quran and Hadeeths that condemn acts of terrorism. Please refer Fatwa on Terrorism for more.

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Fatwa on Terrorism and Suicide Bombings is a 600-page (Urdu version), 512-page (English version) Islamic decree by scholar Muhammad Tahir-ul-Qadri which demonstrates from the Quran and Sunnah that terrorism and suicide bombings are unjust and evil, and thus un-Islamic

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatwa_on_Terrorism
Download link
http://www.spittoon.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/FATWA-on-Terrorism-and-Suicide-Bombings.pdf
And literal meaning of jihad is 'struggle'.