Quote from: inBitweTrust on October 14, 2014, 03:24:57 AM

Quote from: genjix on October 14, 2014, 02:31:14 AM

inBitweTrust what's your community? Sound interesting, I want to visit.

I'm not anti ancap ideas, just that I empathise more with market anarchism as a tactic because sometimes the ancap wiki article sounds too fantastical and idealised rather than realistic. especially when it gets into insurance companies and private enforcers which is a big no no for me. I've seen some funky youtube videos where this company A pays that company B blaa blaa - very utopic almost.

You are spot on with identifying and denouncing visions exposed by many ideologies and I empathize with your sentiment to resist certain labels because of your goal to address the issues directly rather than participate in less productive armchair politics. The romanticism espoused by certain trans-humanists , groups like the seasteaders , the zeitgeist movement, the venus project , and others all have an unrealistic and utopian ideals which makes them fascinating but anyone with any real experience living in a anarchistic community realizes there is no end utopia to be realized or even desired.

I live on a Permaculture farm in Costa Rica, in a small community. This isn't a planned anarcho-cap community and the people come from all ages, nationalities, income levels , and politics; albeit higher amounts of anarchists and libertarians exist in our communities than the general population. There are hundreds of these types of communities all over Costa Rica , and Latin America and they naturally just function as anarcho cap communities because we need to get things done and most people here are capitalists. Many Latin American countries, while being somewhat more "socialist" in nature are also inept as well where people naturally live like anarchists outside of the main capital or larger cities. There are some examples of ancho-socialist communes here that I have visited but they don't do as well as ones that embrace capitalism.

Despite the caricatures portrayed by socialists and anarcho-communists on the evils of an-caps and our love of corporations and hatred of the poor, in reality we have many of the same goals and motivations as them, just different methods at accomplishing such goals. We would rather allow a psychopath to identify themselves by not contributing rather than using force to mandate egalitarianism. When a community is kept small, social pressures can have a very powerful effect and we have been successful in running some of the most dangerous, heavily armed druglords out of town without the use of violence and by social pressures and solidarity alone in our community with our non-profit DRO.

P.S>...You certainly are welcome to come and visit and I'll invite you once I finish building my guesthouse for you to crash at.(kinda waiting on bitcoin to rebound before finishing Tongue

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P.S.S... Yes, most planned developments in general are scams and rely on misleading or false promises whether they be Galt's Gulch(WTF was Jeff thinking?) or any traditional development. The key is to buy or homestead property yourself and just work in solidarity with your neighbors rather than manufacture some dream utopia without any effort.

This is interesting information. The concept of hard land property ownership rights is not dealt with and done among freedom loving people. Private ownership generally is. No freedom is possible unless you own yourself, your body, your clothes, the air surrounding you, your food and water that you have either produced yourself or acquired in voluntary trade. If the hunter/gatherer had hunted some game or gathered some berries, they are his, just like the modern version of food hunting where you get something from a shop for money that you got for your own work.

Currently all land is apparently owned, because governments have just confiscated all unused land, and all future land that comes in to existence, in the form of for example radio spectrum, sea bottoms, air space, tunnels and so on. But in many law systems there are remnants of what was the original method of acquiring land, namely, when some land was unused, anyone could occupy that land and call it their own. There was recently a court case here where someone declared ownership of unused land (not clarified yet, and if I know my dominators, they will not accept that, but it is still the law).

Ancient societies had also private land, some historians say otherwise, but my analysis is that the ownership was either personal in a family, where it was handed over through heritage, or owned by a wider voluntary association of people. Those associations were voluntary, because some individual could choose to join, or the association could choose to take on a new member. If someone was not ready to play the game, he would be expelled from trading with any member of the association, which is a legal reaction. It helped that there were lots of unused land those days.

In your ancap society, I guess the land is still owned in the hard, state defined sense at the bottom, which make it different from the ideal master-free society (where everybody is the sovereign of his own self-kingdom). Anyway, it is an interesting approximation of a free society.