Kind of wondering how your connected to a defunct betting site that stole players money by the name of BTCBOOK EU that skipped out on payouts . Now you show up here after shutting down that site are you trying to herd people to a new site to repeat that crap again ?

With the 3rd leg of the triple crown coming this weekend STAY AWAY FROM THIS SITE TO BOOK YOUR BETS . They are still taking money in last I heard and payouts are not happening so don't waste your time and effort on the site .

I'd still like to know who helped them get the trust rating up to what it currently is, they should be on a no trade level at this point. I've seen more BS scams with btc in the short time i've been involved with it then anything else in comparison and i'm no spring chicken anymore.

We are at around a month now and i only got one reply from tech support ever and it was a i'll take a look and that was it . they are into me for .32 btc . These guys are taking bets and not paying out the usual bullshit scam .

I have no idea who helped these guys out with their trust rating cause when i hit him he went to -11 now he's at -4 this site is being used as a pyramid scam at best stir clear as I stated before you'll be lucky to see any of your winnings.

Over three weeks and counting here yeah this site is one reason we can't have nice things lol . Scam and a waste of your time .

Over two weeks and still counting on pending status . Yeah this book is a waste of your btc and time and effort. If we could get rid of these guys that want to scam BTC users and backers for their own gain maybe we could make some gains with crypto, yet these asshats ruin it for all involved.

Don't place bets with this site unless you want to lose your BTC or have it sitting in limbo for weeks. I placed a bet on the Derby and won and have still not received my winnings roughly $75 had I lost my btc would have been consumed instantly but instead my funds have been sitting in PENDING status since Derby DAY you will have no issue funding a bet and the site claims you can withdraw at anytime but this is not the case at all. I tried to contact them via the so called customer service link to no avail and no reply . So I've come here to warn anyone who will listen and who may have been thinking about betting on the next leg of the triple crown to go elsewhere this site is shady at best.

As far as your question OP I'd suggest you avoid that transaction . I was tempted to buy from MS when I was looking for my minion and sent them an e-mail asking some info and such and didn't feel good about the reply i got so i didn't order through them but did a straight test order to BA direct still waiting for that to be filled different story though . Anyway now BA is claiming MS has stolen from them which makes no sense since the units are useless but hey maybe they are using them for something cause when i asked MS about it they deleted my question and won't reply so something stinks there. Long story short Look elsewhere you'll be happy you did.

I'll roll with Bick on this one when posters pretty much pleaded with you to take a look at BA's rating at the height of its SCAM you did nothing of the such and let them roll with a semi decent rating while most of those asking you WTH was up were actual BA buyers including myself your EGO left the door open for others to be scammed so as far as his statement about your rating system being garbage I'll buy tickets for that opinion all day long.

I'll also help you since you seem to want us to do your investigative work for you how about you visit the forum on the Black Arrow website and just look at the updates they posted and then go to their facebook page and take a look there as well and match the two up and then revisit this forum under their post and the forum for their company site and then ask yourself why are they deleting pages of post and then go ask your boss for a ticket to china to see their factory .

So all the people who have been waiting for months some since last year for an item they paid for isn't proof for you so how about you reach out and ask for a bill of sale showing the date of purchase if you contact me through PM i'll be more then happy to supply you with my order # and let you contact BA as to the where abouts of my order.

Your asking for proof . What proof exactly be specific cause all the proof you need is on here and there own company forum . You have customers who have been waiting since last year for what they bought. You have safety issues that you already have proof of . You have customers asking for refunds and not receiving them . If you go back and just look at there own company stated time lines of self imposed dates and the updates that they did give that they didn't adhere to the red flags should be popping from everywhere . Don't know what you expected to find here but you yourself have to admit you opened a hornets nest now why would that happen if everything was on the up and up with black arrow. I would also like to add why do you even think someone tipped you guys off . The burden of proof and truth lies on Black Arrow not the people they have scammed for huge sums of their hard earned money . You were handed a story that some would dream of getting and you want the victims to do your job and write it for you use your skills and contacts and go were we can't like the factory or maybe you should just try ordering or maybe get the information of a customer and act on there behalf and see what kind of service you receive . Asking the suspect if your guilty and taking his word for it yes that's how it works nothing to see here move along all is fine .

http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/black-arrow-minion-14nm-asic-tape-out-setdecember-2014/#post-41692

read the article for a laugh and you'll see they don't want to touch another full miner build cause they know they can't do it successfully ,quickly and safely.

Hows that Dogie rating looking rite about now lol pathetic .

So because a BA rep contacted Dogie directly and you guys chatted for and hour but yet they have gone dark on even there own forum and the last few post from weeks ago was we are to busy to communicate . So that personal contact with you directly was enough to warrant a mid range com rating.   I think i'm gonna agree with that fellow that said you were biased and getting something out of the situation . One of the biggest complaints about BA has been Communication for over 5 months now . Them talking to you directly does SHIT for the rest of us did you bother to ask them specifics to relay some useful information to the rest of us or your 1hr convo consisted of where to mail your on the house units ?

Easy entrance to the states and a place to park your big ass boat from ill gotten means. Just a thought.

Yep

Yes i'm well aware of the shell game shady entity that BA is and the owners are scattered around the globe one in england supposedly and some in the islands and so on and so forth .

And how's that seeking recourse and getting restitution after the fact been going it needs to be applied to the front end i've seen a few cases recently that have abused the preorder kickstarter program and getting recourse after your money has been pissed down the drain isn't all that appealing to me.

Now the million dollar question is it being enforced ? Had BA been obligated by law to escrow the 70% they supposedly had on hand i bet those timelines would have been made or they would of bailed before the shit got real.

This is the flaw in kickstarters and preorders the less the actual company invest the less incentive or motivation they have to achieve the goal especially if under bad management. These companies need to be forced into outlaying a portion of funding into escrow or showing they have funds to back a % of investment or receive no funding through preorders or kickstarters . Getting an intrust free loan to piss down the drain because you have good intentions and an idea just is NOT working.