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Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated]
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Effayy
on 28/11/2013, 13:28:26 UTC
I'm guessing VE got bitcoins in the first place to buy meth online... seems like the typical druggie type...

But I would like an update from Ken please - December he's supposed to start shipping, and he's already supposed to have test chips in hand. Updates have been extremely thin and they are borderline overdue now.

Announcements will officially be overdue on Sunday. Just a little more patience, and I'd say we have reason for concern if Sunday/Monday comes without word.
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Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated]
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Effayy
on 28/11/2013, 07:02:35 UTC
chairforce1 will also buy 10,000 of your shares at .0001

Willing to buy 20k at .0001
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Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated]
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Effayy
on 28/11/2013, 04:06:45 UTC
Normally I don't think much of VE, but here he is actually talking sense. come to think of it, if eASIC are on time Ken could actually be keeping profits to himself.

Now we are getting to the point where there are no more excuses. Ken you need to start talking.

He said that he would make an announcement in November.  He also said that he would release financials on Nov 30th.  I'm going to assume he's making that announcement on the 30th as well.  Can we at least wait until Sunday before acting like clingy girlfriends here?
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Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated]
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Effayy
on 23/11/2013, 18:42:54 UTC
After consulting with minerpart I will report these threats to blackmail and extort money from companies on Bitcointalk to an FBI Field Office.

We believe a crime has already been committed, but if this poster actually proceeds to Troll because no money has been paid to him, then certainly things will be serious enough for an investigation.

I will start a thread to collate the relevant posts and if anyone sees any Trolling from the member 'pankkake' after today can you please quote them on the thread which I will link to here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=344208.msg3687965#msg3687965


This is a terrible idea. I think it can be filled under "wasting police time" and that can come with hefty fines.

It is not wasting police time in the slightest. If you think a crime has been committed then you can of course report it to the authorities. If you lie about what has happened/report it as worse than it was in order that they take it on as a case, and then it becomes apparent that you've lied, THEN you are wasting police time (and likely a couple other things).

You are not wasting police time by reporting something that turns out not to be a crime. The general public is not expected to know the ins and outs of criminal or civil legality.

Either way, can we just let cooler heads prevail and chalk this up to someone attempting something he found humourous (which wasn't really all that funny) and just leave it at that? I highly doubt he expected to actually generate revenue from the stunt, and he's well aware that it takes 5 seconds to ban him from the thread altogether.

How about we ALL just give this shit a rest and focus on something more constructive.
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Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated]
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Effayy
on 23/11/2013, 04:25:21 UTC
Cross Posted Here from "Hire A Troll"

NEW BUSINESS MODEL:

Any bitcoins sent to 1EpdhQNyr2H288XXaiT7ho7vg1qHHLg8hq will count towards the Make pankkake stop posting Fund.

This entails all Bitcointalk posting, IRC on any channel having bitcoin in its name, same with subreddits (though I have no reddit account, thank god), etc. Since most of this activity is public, it is very easy to check.

Current price is 0.1337 BTC per day. For example, if 0.1337 BTC is sent, I will have to shut up for at least 24 hours - any slippage is considered void and I have to redo it.

I have a lot better solution which will put an end to your business.  Send 1 BTC a day to  1DJpsvnM7xTnQbWEhLYyCyfxQyxwupEzCa for all the problems you have caused or I will give away this solution to any one that wants to make you STFU.  I will be deploying this in our Active Mining thread soon and you will see what it does.

Ken are you simply talking about banning him or some news that you think might silence the troll(s)?

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Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated]
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Effayy
on 23/11/2013, 03:19:31 UTC
Thankyou. What's your public address?  This means a lot.
I doubt this is 4realz but this gave the motivation to put what I had in mind for a little while in writing: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=240677.msg3681780#msg3681780

lol! or, you know, there's that ignore button that's free to use. Wink
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Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated]
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Effayy
on 19/11/2013, 21:53:02 UTC
So if the 1.4k BTC (or a portion) are still with us then when is the best time for Ken to convert to FIAT?

We could have got 800USD last night for them, 500 this afternoon or 700 now. Tomorrow or in a few days they could be back in the 3-400 range.

Any thoughts on this.



Or next week they may be worth $2,000 each.

Exactly.  I'd say a rise has more merit than a fall next week, too.  After the US senate hearings (which are quite positive by the way), investors will be more at ease to step in, and those who may have heard of Bitcoin but haven't done any research may now start to invest as well.  Give it a week for that new money to pass through the system into a position where Bitcoin can be purchased, and boom! Smiley
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Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated]
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Effayy
on 18/11/2013, 07:25:04 UTC
Why doesn't Ken point all the prototypes towards our TEAM AMC?



If I had to take a guess, it's because we're not to be given any information on the prototypes at this time, therefore even having them hashing on a known address would be giving away too much info.
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Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated]
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Effayy
on 16/11/2013, 16:27:19 UTC
Well if that's the case, I'll put out an offer that if you have 30k or less shares in ActM and want to sell the lot, I'll buy them for a price of .0001 btc / share.

So 1btc = 10k shares.  That's a 100% markup on the current hashrate value. Smiley

The thing you need to take into account is that most people holding the shares are waiting for the eASIC chips.

I assume any shareholder that was invested based on our current hashrate has already jumped ship.

My point is that if we do not get eASIC chips soon and bring our hashrate well above 20TH/s then a fair value for our shares really is 0.000015 or less.

EDIT: Re-revised number!

Current hashrate makes 10 bitcoin per week, Lets average this out over the year and expect perhaps a total of 150 Bitcoin to be mined at current rates if we get no more miners.

(150 bitcoin mined over a year) / 10,000,000 shares = 0.000015 per share.

oh I agree. I just noticed that there were no buy offers on the table, so I threw one up, even if the odds of it getting filled are next to nothing. Smiley

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Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated]
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Effayy
on 16/11/2013, 16:18:44 UTC
I will feel sorry for the people who buy from you. Greed is a dangerous thing. Karma will always have the last laugh.  

Don't worry no one will be buying any shares until we have an exchange.

The market price is still under 0.002 and to be honest all of our shares are currently worth about 0.00005 at our current hashrate.

If we had 10% of the hashrate by January then 0.01+ is certainly a possibility, unfortunately we cannot predict what our projected hashrate is going to be due to super quiet Ken.

I personally think 3% is reasonable due to the fact that Ken is ok selling several of those 24TH/s units. If he is so confident he can ship more than 6 of those then we must easily be able to get over 100TH/s online. But maybe Ken is lying? Maybe first batch only has enough chips for half of one 24TH/s miner? Then why is ken selling machines he can't ship till batch 2 or 3?


Well if that's the case, I'll put out an offer that if you have 50k or less shares in ActM and want to sell the lot, I'll buy them for a price of .00006 btc / share.

So 1btc = 16.666k shares.  That's a 100% markup on the current hashrate value. Smiley

(Edited to reflect drawingthesun's revised number)


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Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated]
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Effayy
on 15/11/2013, 15:30:16 UTC
can I ask when are ActiveMining dividends due? I haven't received any for a while now... Huh

Dividends have been halted.

To clarify: suspended until a new method of exchange is worked out, at which point all accumulated dividends will be distributed accordingly.
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Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated]
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Effayy
on 14/11/2013, 17:10:25 UTC
Isn't the 20TH/S supposed to be up by now?  From now on I will refer to Activemining as LabKen...

If you want to call something late, then do so - there's no need to associate ActM with LC. At the very least, you've had phone calls with Ken - you can't say the same about Fabrizio or Samuel Noi or Armando or whoever is running the Labcoin 'operation'.

I agree with this. Although Ken may be tight-lipped on his operations and stage of development, he has always been out in the open and accessible. Comparing him to a (practically confirmed) scam is offensive.

Regardless of your opinion on how he is running his operation, I think we can all agree that it's not a scam.
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Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated]
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Effayy
on 06/11/2013, 04:31:45 UTC
Step-By-Step Guide to Tendering Shares to ActiveMining

So I figured I'd do this for those who have absolutely no idea.  I realize that most of us DO know what we're doing, but there's no point in having people left behind because they're too afraid to ask.

I use bitcoin-qt for my Bitcoin dealings. I don't have much trust in the online wallets at this point, so I'll provide steps based on what I know.  If you would prefer to use another wallet, do your research and don't be afraid to ask questions to determine if it is right for you.  For example, make sure you can sign messages from whatever client you intend to use.

Part 1.  Bitcoin-qt

1. Google for and install the official bitcoin-qt client on your computer.  In fact, just to save you some time, go here: http://bitcoin.org/en/download

2. Once the software is installed, run it.  It will create a local wallet.dat file for you among other things.  This wallet.dat file is what stores your bitcoin addresses, balances, etc.  Never lose this file.  This is important.  You lose the file you lose your Scrooge McDuck riches.  Simple as that.  Also note that the client will start to download the entire blockchain.  It weighs in at 10+ gigs right now. If you have a terribly sucky low-bandwidth cap service from your ISP, just bear in mind that this could up your numbers.

3. First and foremost. SECURE YOUR WALLET!  Here's how...

     - Under the "Settings" menu item, click "Encrypt Wallet"
     

     - Enter a passphrase.  This is possibly the most important password you'll ever enter. Please ensure it's STRONG.  10+ characters, random letters numbers and symbols. add caps.  For example:  "yT658!{93%$#uyhgjKIyshI"  ... Write this down somewhere and keep it safe!

4. Go to the "Receive" tab.
     

5. Click on "New Address" at the bottom-left


6. Enter an appropriate name for this address so you know what it represents.  When you click Ok, a new address will be generated for this account.


7. You should now see the account you created with it's address in the grid. Congrats.



Part 2.  BitFunder

1. Log in to BitFunder.com

2. Go to "Settings" in the upper-right hand corner.


3. Under "Public Bitcoin Address" on the right side, copy and paste the newly created address from bitcoin-qt into the new address field.  Double-check to ensure you're copying the right address!


4. After saving the public address, click on the "Transfer" menu item on the left-hand menu.


5. Enter the appropriate information on the transfer screen. make sure to enter ALL shares you own of ActiveMining into the "Share Amount" field.  no use in keeping any of them around BitFunder now.  Oh, I already tendered mine, so sorry for the sloppy paint job. Worth a chuckle at least, right? Wink

NOTE: make sure you get the user name correct!  It's "AMC-TENDER". No spaces!


6. Once you click the "Transfer!" button, that's it that's all.  make sure you get your info right before you click.  If your palms are sweating, good!

7. Click on the "Transactions" menu item. You'll see the latest transaction history menu item reads "Send Transfer To: AMC-TENDER" along with the number of shares you transfered.  TAKE A SCREENSHOT OF THIS PAGE AND SAVE IT!  The entire browser window.  ALL of it. Include the blue bar at the top too with your username.  This will be helpful in case there are complications in the future.


Well that's it.  Message signing was already covered, and we don't really have official word on what to do yet from Ken, so just complete this guide and hang tight for more info when it's time.

Hopefully this helped a few of you anyway.  If I missed something, let me know.

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Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated]
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Effayy
on 05/11/2013, 23:14:24 UTC
Ok folks. Hold your horses.  I'm not going to be home until late tonight, but when I do get home I'll make a nice big post with screenshots etc going through the process step-by-step. I'll use bitcoin-qt since that's what I'm familiar with.  

That'll give everyone plenty of time to get this taken care of before the deadline.
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Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated]
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Effayy
on 05/11/2013, 02:32:14 UTC
Bitfunder closing down should not surprise anyone. The writing was on the wall and the market list has shrunk significantly. Most securities and investors have already jumped ship.
Havelock will be next.

Anyone who sent their personal documents to Bitfunder have cause for concern.

Perhaps, perhaps not.

The documentation was for WeExchange (which funneled down to butFunder). I believe that will remain.

Not saying there isn't a possibility for ID theft etc, but it may still be kosher.

Ukyo's issues stem from SEC complications, to which WeExchange is outside their scope.  FinCEN, on the other hand...
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Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated]
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Effayy
on 04/11/2013, 23:35:32 UTC
I guess if we move to Havelock the US can start trading again. Havelock is in Canada but just sold their company to someone in Panama a few days ago.  Having our shares listed at Havelock will bring a bit more legitimacy to the company as serious investors are looking at CaVirtEx and Havelock right now.  It's VirtEx's order book that the BTC ATM's are using for the ATM trading. They also have the debut cards/url] so it will make it real easy to get money out.

https://www.havelockinvestments.com/20131101-announcement.php

I worry that even if ActM is able to list on Havelock, it would only be a matter of time before Ken has to go through the juggling act yet again.

Direct shares may be the only sustainable action until a colored coin system is implemented.
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Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated]
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Effayy
on 02/11/2013, 00:24:59 UTC
Really?  What are the advantages to the share price to keep them in an ActM-only exchange?  
I never said there were any.

I would MUCH rather have the shares available in an open exchange where anyone can easily buy and sell positions, not a private exchange where only hardcore ActiveMining enthusiasts are trading amongst themselves.
The "ActiveExchange" would be a public exchange just like Bitfunder et al, but there won't be market trading until colored coins. Good luck easily buying and selling positions on Havelock with its very low liquidity.

Currently, yes.  However, if they are truly "fully licensed" as they say, it will likely bring the investors in, creating liquidity.  Worth keeping an eye on, at least.
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Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated]
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Effayy
on 28/10/2013, 22:18:55 UTC
Ken,

My verification as a non-US resident as gone through on WeExchange, so I'm fully clear to trade on BitFunder. I just wanted to clarify that it's fine to leave my shares on BitFunder. I think SumZero was asking for clarification on this as well.


Cheers!

I would like some clarification on this as well please. Non-US resident, account verification processing now.

1. Do we have the option of keeping shares on BF at all?
2. If so, and we choose to stay on BF, will dividends still be paid to our public address or through BF?
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Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated]
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Effayy
on 27/10/2013, 15:34:20 UTC
Hey Ken,

For those of us who aren't in the US and are currently waiting on verification to complete on WeExchange, is it ok to keep our funds on BF? Will dividends still be paid out for us once verified, or is there really no other option except sending our shares to AMC-TENDER?
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Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated]
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Effayy
on 22/10/2013, 00:20:58 UTC

please?


Oh come now.  I only pop up once every 20 pages, I say something that is heads and tails more polite than the rest of you do to crumbs, and *I* get the don't feed the trolls speech?