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Re: [Now Open] $1200 for >1.1MH/s Litecoin Miner -- Vorksholk's Mining Solutions
ITT: autism
I wouldn't buy a machine that only supported 2 slots and could not be upgraded by adding more stuff.
Vorsholk has done a pretty awesome job. The penny pinchers will kick themselves when they have to buy another machine to add components.
I wouldn't buy a machine that only supported 2 slots and could not be upgraded by adding more stuff.
Vorsholk has done a pretty awesome job. The penny pinchers will kick themselves when they have to buy another machine to add components.
Re: is trollcoin (bytecoin) unwittingly the solution to bitcoins scalability issue?
How a carbon copy of bitcoin could solve anything?
You still need to store all transaction of all random guys. Now those transactions are split into two separate blockchains, but they occupy the same space on your HDD (in fact even little more).
And yes, there can be at most one winner. That means, it is possible, that there will be no winner at all. I.e. all free decentralised cryptocurrencies dieout. And to be honest, greed drives us now to that worst, no winner, direction.
You still need to store all transaction of all random guys. Now those transactions are split into two separate blockchains, but they occupy the same space on your HDD (in fact even little more).
And yes, there can be at most one winner. That means, it is possible, that there will be no winner at all. I.e. all free decentralised cryptocurrencies dieout. And to be honest, greed drives us now to that worst, no winner, direction.
its not a problem of hard drive space. Its a problem of limited bandwith for miners. Miners are only capable of receiving so many transactions in a 10 minute period. if the total demand for transactions exceeds the bandwidth of your average miner than people will be forced into other chains.
Anon136, you're going to run into these social and structural biases from people.
People think they can solve everything with tools XOR rhetoric. It never occurs to them you need both. Also check private message.
Re: is trollcoin (bytecoin) unwittingly the solution to bitcoins scalability issue?
While the OP seems to be putting his finger on a growing TREND of alt-coin growth, I can't see how multiple coins with or without technical innovations over BTC can fulfill the dream of being an effective extensions of BTC. The end user is simply never going to juggle ownership of multiple types of coins, just as people who are not currency-exchange-speculators do not simultaneously carry dollar/euros/yen in their pockets to buy things with.
Money is a 'natural-monopoly' because its a network-effect ware the utility is proportional to the number of people in the network. All crypto-currencies have appallingly small networks and low utility compared to national currency and the alts are even lower, so nearly all value is speculative in both. Speculators can and will deal in multiple currencies, real commerce will not so an inevitable 'winner take all' will happen and everyone knows this. Speculators are speculating on which coin that will be, not on actually proportional value in a mixed coin environment. The current mixed coin environment must be transitory, and to what ever degree we have continual mushrooming up of alts they will always be alts in the shadow of the king-of-the-hill. This is not to say the king can't fall, but if it ever dose it will be replaced by a new king. In other words Cyrpto-currency will always be uni-polar and never multi-polar.
Another factor to consider, when most of BTC's perceived value is from encoded scarcity, the existence of a multi-polar world of alt chains that trade at comparable values and constitute any significant portion of commerce. And particularly if they show potential to expand without limit, would completely negate the scarcity concept in BTC, as while the BitCoins themselves would be scarce their would be virtually unlimited numbers of adequate substitutes in the marketplace. And any Econ 101 student will tell you, adequate substitutes trade as a pool.
Money is a 'natural-monopoly' because its a network-effect ware the utility is proportional to the number of people in the network. All crypto-currencies have appallingly small networks and low utility compared to national currency and the alts are even lower, so nearly all value is speculative in both. Speculators can and will deal in multiple currencies, real commerce will not so an inevitable 'winner take all' will happen and everyone knows this. Speculators are speculating on which coin that will be, not on actually proportional value in a mixed coin environment. The current mixed coin environment must be transitory, and to what ever degree we have continual mushrooming up of alts they will always be alts in the shadow of the king-of-the-hill. This is not to say the king can't fall, but if it ever dose it will be replaced by a new king. In other words Cyrpto-currency will always be uni-polar and never multi-polar.
Another factor to consider, when most of BTC's perceived value is from encoded scarcity, the existence of a multi-polar world of alt chains that trade at comparable values and constitute any significant portion of commerce. And particularly if they show potential to expand without limit, would completely negate the scarcity concept in BTC, as while the BitCoins themselves would be scarce their would be virtually unlimited numbers of adequate substitutes in the marketplace. And any Econ 101 student will tell you, adequate substitutes trade as a pool.
a simple user wont see any of this they will get a gui that handles it all
Not only that, people speculate naturally everyday: What products are too expensive, which car gets better mileage? And which forum is going to cry for me or react to my trolling.
But ultimately, we can't afford the corruption inherent in having a "top dog" currency dominating.
get a powered riser. motherboards will recognize, but they may not be able to take the aboose.
something like this thinger: http://cablesaurus.com/PCIe-x1--%3E-x16-Adapter-Extender-Cable-w-Molex-Connector
something like this thinger: http://cablesaurus.com/PCIe-x1--%3E-x16-Adapter-Extender-Cable-w-Molex-Connector
Re: is trollcoin (bytecoin) unwittingly the solution to bitcoins scalability issue?
How is litecoin centralized?
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\It's a long story. Centralization of Litecoin was revealed in drama "BitcoinExpress and Litecoin 51% attack".
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C'mon. I already answered. Read again my reply regarding BCX and Litecoin 51% attack drama. It's too long story to discuss it again.
PS: I understand. U bought a lot of litecoins, they r dumped now, u r upset. It's obvious, baby.
Ahem. You explained nothing. You only mentioned your working title for your really-soon-now argument.
Re: Attacks on altcoins say Bitcoiners are on their merry way to becoming banksters
The structural bias view is that litecoin changed some constants, the hash algorithm, and brought nothing new, therefore it is worthless.
The social bias view is that it increased participation and accessibility to people who do not want to depend on trickle droppings from early adopters.
The structural bias view is that if it's not new it should not exist. Competition is paid lip service publicly and privately despised.
The social bias view is that new is unfamiliar and similarity improves understanding. Competition is tolerated publicly and privately is a necessary evil.
In other words, haters gonna hate.
I might hang around to debate the strengths of either coin, but I don't expect much from the bitcoin community.
You guys have had plenty of time to create an industrial base and industrial solutions. You did zippidydoodah.
Litecoiners are much more likely to build than to hide from the collapse (80% of which is lack of guts and mutual support). The monetary fraud is just the iceberg. Failing to support each other is the drunk captain of the Titanic.
The economy is failing not because it is manipulated, but because it is weak.
The social bias view is that it increased participation and accessibility to people who do not want to depend on trickle droppings from early adopters.
The structural bias view is that if it's not new it should not exist. Competition is paid lip service publicly and privately despised.
The social bias view is that new is unfamiliar and similarity improves understanding. Competition is tolerated publicly and privately is a necessary evil.
In other words, haters gonna hate.
I might hang around to debate the strengths of either coin, but I don't expect much from the bitcoin community.
You guys have had plenty of time to create an industrial base and industrial solutions. You did zippidydoodah.
Litecoiners are much more likely to build than to hide from the collapse (80% of which is lack of guts and mutual support). The monetary fraud is just the iceberg. Failing to support each other is the drunk captain of the Titanic.
The economy is failing not because it is manipulated, but because it is weak.
Re: is trollcoin (bytecoin) unwittingly the solution to bitcoins scalability issue?
The next argument would be:
"But litecoin already does what Bytecoin could do! Litecoin also has improvements specifically for these issues!"
"But litecoin already does what Bytecoin could do! Litecoin also has improvements specifically for these issues!"
Yup. Followed by counter-argument that Litecoin is centralized.
How is litecoin centralized?
\Also bitcoiners are hoarders not innovators.
ATMs and Pay cards are just the roads, still need people to actually DO SOMETHING.
All of the recent innovation has come from the litecoin side, because THEY DON'T EXPECT THE CURRENCY TO SAVE THEM.
REASONS
Notice the weasel words, 'what some consider'. Bitcoin.org should not assert that Bitcoin or bitcoins are a currency. 'Currency' is a legal term of art and like the word 'funds' can invoke some nasty sections of law. Currently, Bitcoin and bitcoins are clearly neither 'currency' nor 'funds' under applicable statutes, like 31 USC 5103, because the standard to be 'currency' and 'funds' is usually that is must be legal tender.
I don't see any legal definition of currency, only United States currency. Bitcoin is obviously a currency.
A currency is a current, a flow of economic energy. Bitcoin is no such thing. Bitcoin is a security service for transactions. These could be money or it could be data transfers in a power plant. It is a security service. The coins could be used as an instruction rather than a reward.
Re: Block chain fork: Can now FinCEN legally go against Bitcoin core devs?
Please understand that I'm not trying to go against the core dev team.
I KNOW the did not order anything.
I just want to analyze if there is any piece of evidence that can be used against them.
I KNOW the did not order anything.
I just want to analyze if there is any piece of evidence that can be used against them.
I think at this point the real danger is not what they could do in an honest manner, but what they want to do.
Even if they demanded that people switch, short of buying up botnets galore at a loss, they could not force it as there is no contractual binding by which they could legally punish those who refuse. A contract requires two parties or none exists.
What's really dangerous is their ability to confuse regulators with more power than they have.
This is where the libertarian ideal of leave me alone fails. Being left alone does not excuse you from reality. If we fail to inform and educate we deserve all the consequences.
Faster confirmations do not mean less secure transactions
I keep hearing people claim that litecoin's transactions are less secure.
This is false.
The faster transactions are due to the target rate being faster not a weaker algorithm.
Two obstacles have to be passed for transactions to be insecure (we'll ignore malware for the moment):
The possibility of double spends occurs when someone has 51% of the network power.
The possibility of false transactions against large accounts because the algorithm is weak.
A faster target rate has no relevance on the first case. It's the distribution of hashing power that matters not how much hashing power there is in total. The attackers cannot just single someone out. They have to beat the whole network.
It doesn't matter how fast you are at hashing, it matters only how much faster you are than everybody else.
A faster rate because of a weak algorithm would be an issue, but this isn't the case at all with litecoin. The bitcoin network needs a difficulty 1000x of litecoin to reduce payouts to the rate litecoin is at. It takes 1000x as many average speed users to lower the payout rate than it does with litecoin.
Right now I'm mining about 14 litecoins a day at difficulty 100. Bitcoin needed difficulty 100K to reduce to that point. We're talking per day here, not per confirmation.
On the same hardware, it took 1000x as many hashes to reduce the daily payout.
The number of users of bitcoin when ppl were making 14 btc a day was about the same. But here is the main issue: it didn't matter how many hashes people were doing. It only mattered whether one or a few could outrun the whole network.
So when someone says faster confirmations means a weak currency, please back it up. The speed of hashes in bitcoin will be progressively faster as more ASICS come through. Does that mean bitcoin will be weaker than it was because the blockrate is half of of the target? Seems silly to me.
This is false.
The faster transactions are due to the target rate being faster not a weaker algorithm.
Two obstacles have to be passed for transactions to be insecure (we'll ignore malware for the moment):
The possibility of double spends occurs when someone has 51% of the network power.
The possibility of false transactions against large accounts because the algorithm is weak.
A faster target rate has no relevance on the first case. It's the distribution of hashing power that matters not how much hashing power there is in total. The attackers cannot just single someone out. They have to beat the whole network.
It doesn't matter how fast you are at hashing, it matters only how much faster you are than everybody else.
A faster rate because of a weak algorithm would be an issue, but this isn't the case at all with litecoin. The bitcoin network needs a difficulty 1000x of litecoin to reduce payouts to the rate litecoin is at. It takes 1000x as many average speed users to lower the payout rate than it does with litecoin.
Right now I'm mining about 14 litecoins a day at difficulty 100. Bitcoin needed difficulty 100K to reduce to that point. We're talking per day here, not per confirmation.
On the same hardware, it took 1000x as many hashes to reduce the daily payout.
The number of users of bitcoin when ppl were making 14 btc a day was about the same. But here is the main issue: it didn't matter how many hashes people were doing. It only mattered whether one or a few could outrun the whole network.
So when someone says faster confirmations means a weak currency, please back it up. The speed of hashes in bitcoin will be progressively faster as more ASICS come through. Does that mean bitcoin will be weaker than it was because the blockrate is half of of the target? Seems silly to me.
Re: Bitcoins are not "legal" in the US - understanding FinCEN's announcement
the only way past this point, is for the idiot hoarders to start building services that the public can relate to (sorry your Indian Head coins do not make any sense to the Macaroni and Cheese sector).
otherwise, Bitcoin is dead. Litecoin will replace it.
otherwise, Bitcoin is dead. Litecoin will replace it.
Why wouldn't LTC suffer from the same (perceived) hoarding problem? People are people and the technological basis of the 2 coins is essentially the same.
Simple. I have seen more innovators in the litecoin community than bitcoin.
Bitcoin = paranoid survivalist
Litecoin = prepared thrivalist
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Re: Block chain fork: Can now FinCEN legally go against Bitcoin core devs?
Bitcoiners, create something soccer moms will relate to or soccer moms will kill Bitcoin by begging them to shut down them evil drug dealers on the Internets.
Stop hoarding you morons and start building.
Some of us already are.
Stop hoarding you morons and start building.
Some of us already are.
Re: Bitcoins are not "legal" in the US - understanding FinCEN's announcement
the only way past this point, is for the idiot hoarders to start building services that the public can relate to (sorry your Indian Head coins do not make any sense to the Macaroni and Cheese sector).
otherwise, Bitcoin is dead. Litecoin will replace it.
otherwise, Bitcoin is dead. Litecoin will replace it.