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Re: CryptoKingdom Uncensored
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Karl Hungus
on 08/09/2017, 04:09:20 UTC
I have missed my bus today so I won't have access to my laptop until tommorow.

Very professional

Good communication is always a sign of a 'professional' attitude.

Mishaps happen to everyone, some people try and conceal them, others just explain what happened.
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Re: CryptoKingdom Uncensored
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Karl Hungus
on 08/09/2017, 03:50:24 UTC
Gringotts Update:
The second and final batch of S-PT deposit bonuses have been paid!

The S-PT deposit bonus scheme has now finished, thanks to ALL those who deposited and supported CK & Gringotts!

A total of 273 S-PT were given away over the last month.

The remaining Phoenix Trust shares (727) will be used for other bounties and incentives, at this stage I can't see deposit incentives being very effective, those who were going to deposit early have done so.

I think the prospect of an exchange traded CK token being available sometime in the near future has everyone in 'watching' mode, which is understandable.

Not much activity in the M3 market either, probably for the same reason ... we're all waiting to see what happens with tokenisation efforts, and Speed's 'Phoenix Iniative'.

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Re: CryptoKingdom Uncensored
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Karl Hungus
on 04/09/2017, 02:57:15 UTC
Gringotts Update:
The first batch of S-PT deposit bonuses have been paid.

I've decided to end the Gringotts deposit bonus scheme in 4 days from this post.

Any left over S-PT will be used for other bonuses and bounties that help CK & Gringotts grow and prosper.

The deposit bonuses will have run for ~30 days, and the remaining S-PT can probably be put to better use in other ways.
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Re: CryptoKingdom Uncensored
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Karl Hungus
on 01/09/2017, 21:47:57 UTC

I pledge 1000 S-PT (10% of Phoenix Trust).


I've sold these 1000 S-PT OTC, so change my pledge to 20 XMR for the Phoenix Iniative.
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Re: CryptoKingdom Uncensored
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Karl Hungus
on 31/08/2017, 02:31:13 UTC
Gringotts Update:
I'll be paying the first batch of S-PT depositor bonuses in a day or so.

@ 1:1 rate
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50 XMR   ->  493048   Create   M3   5,050   New (5)   Kevorkian (979)      15.08.17 (05:07)   deposit
28 XMR   ->  493144   Create   M3   2,800   New (5)   Rostibarn (1032)   16.08.17 (07:11)   deposit
20 XMR   ->  495650   Create   M3   2,000   New (5)   Kevorkian (979)      28.08.17 (03:04)   deposit
100 XMR ->  495651   Create   M3   10,000   New (5)   Kevorkian (979)      28.08.17 (04:10)   deposit
2 XMR     ->  497627   Create   M3   5,000   New (5)   Crichton (130)      29.08.17 (13:56)   deposit

170 S-PT -> Kevorkian
  28 S-PT -> Rostibarn
    2 S-PT -> Crichton

@ 1:2 rate
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48 XMR ->  497627   Create   M3   5,000   New (5)   Crichton (130)      29.08.17 (13:56)   deposit
25 XMR ->  497628   Create   M3   2,500   New (5)   Rostibarn (1032)   29.08.17 (13:56)   deposit
25 XMR ->  497629   Create   M3   2,500   New (5)   Rostibarn (1032)   29.08.17 (13:56)   deposit

24 S-PT -> Crichton
25 S-PT -> Rostibarn

note: will combine 2 * 25 XMR deposits from Rostibarn into one 50 XMR deposit


Still 151 S-PT available @ 1:2 rate (i.e. the next 302 XMR deposited)




Deposit bonuses:


I'm thinking something like:

200 S-PT @ 1:1 XMR deposited (200 XMR)
200 S-PT @ 1:2 XMR deposited (400 XMR)
200 S-PT @ 1:3 XMR deposited (600 XMR)
200 S-PT @ 1:4 XMR deposited (800 XMR)
200 S-PT @ 1:5 XMR deposited (1000 XMR)

Based on whole number XMR amounts since S=PT does not have fractional amounts, so rounding down to nearest whole number integer.

So in each round minimum deposits for bonus would be:
Rnd 1 - 1 XMR
Rnd 2 - 2 XMR
Rnd 3 - 3 XMR
Rnd 4 - 4 XMR
Rnd 5 - 5 XMR

for example, in first round bonus period:
- if 0.7 XMR deposited - no bonus - floor(0.7)=0
- if 1.7 XMR deposited - 1 S-PT bonus - floor(1.7)=1
- if 1.1 XMR deposited - 1 S-PT bonus - floor(1.1)=1

So bonus would always be based on: floor(deposited XMR amount) * rate

That would mean at least 3K XMR deposited would get some bonus.

Maybe some measures to prevent gaming, like paying bonus after a period of time to prevent immediate withdrawal after the bonus received.

edit: I suggest depositing an even number of XMR if possible for remaining 1:2 rate, e.g 3 XMR @ 1:2 rate would be 1 S-PT bonus, same as depositing 2 XMR, but 4 XMR @ 1:2 would be 2 S-PT bonus

for 1:3 rate, make deposit amount divisible by 3  etc
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Re: CryptoKingdom Uncensored
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Karl Hungus
on 31/08/2017, 02:13:40 UTC
My dudes... it is time.

The time to start fixing the underlying issues with CK and actually make it a game worth playing and investing in.

As a result I'm bringing forth a proposal for how this can be achieved, with your contribution. I intend to take on a more serious role, at least initially until better options come along and the ecosystem is mostly self-sustaining.

Introducing... The Phoenix Initiative, because originality is not my strong suit. <--- Click

For questions or suggestions, you know where to find me.

I pledge 1000 S-PT (10% of Phoenix Trust).

I wish I could contribute more hard crypto assets like XMR, but I lost the vast majority of my crypto assets when I was hacked 12 months ago, and the rest had already gone into CK.


I've created a new user, 'PhoenixTrust' ID: 2109, and transferred all of OZ & Hokusai's remaining real estate assets over.

https://cryptokingdom.me/player/playerItems/2109

Phoenix Trust also owns 5 chapelries which aren't allocated in the DB yet.

https://cryptokingdom.me/land/chapelry/6:E  [included in bounty for CKG asset on an exchange]
https://cryptokingdom.me/land/chapelry/6:NE
https://cryptokingdom.me/land/chapelry/9:N
https://cryptokingdom.me/land/chapelry/9:SE
https://cryptokingdom.me/land/chapelry/9:W



With mulu as Trustee, 10% of Phoenix Trust might end up generating a long term income stream inside CK if/when building payouts resume. A donation that keeps on donating, or just sell them off as needed.

The current number of payouts for all buildings when added up equals 840,987,701 M per year, though this will likely be adjusted whenever payouts function again.

At current building material prices, the building costs of all the buildings adds up to roughly 62,354,016,000 M. This is based primarily around the BLD cost of 100,000 M which accounts for 80-90% of the building cost, and if you consider that BLD (to my understanding) is intended to be pegged to this price, then perhaps this can give some perspective on the potential value of the portfolio. Of course, that doesn't include the land value itself (as well as the fact that quite a few lots don't have buildings at all), and other various factors that could influence the price of any piece of land.
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Re: CryptoKingdom Uncensored
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Karl Hungus
on 29/08/2017, 04:05:50 UTC
Gringotts is using this formula to price M3 while trading is thin

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M3=MS * (0.01*XMR/MK)

MS=CK money supply (4 trillion M)
MK=CK marketcap

With XMR=~140USD:

- assume MK of 500K USD -> M3=11.2 mil
- assume MK of 1mil USD  -> M3=5.6 mil

Gringotts will target somewhere in that range until market activity picks up enough for real price discovery to take effect.

Our M3 inventory isn't that high, so while recent discussions regarding tokenization have been very encouraging, Gringotts will price things conservatively for now, especially given the recent change in XMR.

We don't want to run out of m3 before new players start depositing (hopefully soon!).

Other players are obviously free to price m3 as they wish.

edit: BUYSELL and SELLBUY commands aren't working
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Re: CryptoKingdom Uncensored
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Karl Hungus
on 28/08/2017, 12:39:59 UTC
Gringotts Update
I'm very happy to announce that BTT user boomboom has joined Gringotts team.

boomboom (aka Dr Kevorkian id: 979) has shown a willingness to back CK with some sizeable XMR deposits, and he will act as a backup when I am unavailable to manage Gringotts account for market making.

We have swapped IRL details, and I am confident boomboom will do everything he can to help CK grow and continue improving.

boomboom's involvement will ensure Gringotts is able to provide full MM services for ALL Gringotts deposit shares no matter what!
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Re: CryptoKingdom Uncensored
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Karl Hungus
on 23/08/2017, 07:41:13 UTC

I've dealt with loaf a lot over the months and Speed or iluvbitcoins would be a better choice by far--smooth would also, but I know he won't volunteer due to the time commitment. Though Sirjacket is still better choice in abstention.

We should have a CEO as I think there are too many agendas and one person should represent the game and be responsible for its vision.


Maybe we have an election, I am not a candidate, so I could help with that.

A CEO is a good idea too, the Board sets goals & objectives, and the CEO implements strategies & tactics to achieve them.

ATM I think it should be admin based as they are the ones who have to implement the work load that is being decided by the board. Now when there is an actual Dev fund to pay the admin, then that would be the time to have votes (as flaky half baked ideas would just be cash cows for admin and not a reason to quit).

This makes sense, an election might bog things down now, lose what momentum we have achieved. I think there is a general consensus now on what direction we need to move in, just the details to sort out, which can probably be nutted out by admins working together.

I do believe when it comes to unpaid work, those who step up & volunteer their time should have the greatest say.
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Re: CryptoKingdom Uncensored
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Karl Hungus
on 23/08/2017, 07:28:01 UTC
Honestly, I think the interested player count and overall activity levels are low enough that anyone who wants to join a board should be able to join it. I would also recommend that Speed be added. Additionally, I think people with "ideas," like Smooth, are just as valuable for their input Smiley

+1
While this major restructure of the Game is being discussed it should be open to everyone to have their opinion heard, then some form of voting to decide things.

Later on we can revert to a Board & CEO model, hopefully with compensation paid.
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Re: CryptoKingdom Uncensored
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Karl Hungus
on 23/08/2017, 07:17:30 UTC

I've dealt with loaf a lot over the months and Speed or iluvbitcoins would be a better choice by far--smooth would also, but I know he won't volunteer due to the time commitment. Though Sirjacket is still better choice in abstention.

We should have a CEO as I think there are too many agendas and one person should represent the game and be responsible for its vision.


Maybe we have an election, I am not a candidate, so I could help with that.

A CEO is a good idea too, the Board sets goals & objectives, and the CEO implements strategies & tactics to achieve them.
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Re: CryptoKingdom Uncensored
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Karl Hungus
on 23/08/2017, 07:11:08 UTC
If a 5 member board was more desirable, then I would also nominate smooth & iluvbitcoins.

I fail on account of activity level in the game (meaning, activity before the game stalled; I had not been very active for quite a while), though I'm happy to throw ideas around on thread/IRC. It is debatable whether I fail on account of economic stake as I don't own a lot of M (though possibly a bit more than I realize across multiple chars/entities) though I do still some own other in-game assets.

Anyway, I would decline a full board seat and the accompanying responsibilities at this time, but still happy to discuss ideas.


Ideas & discussion is what we need, I think everyone appreciates your input a lot!!!
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Re: CryptoKingdom Uncensored
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Karl Hungus
on 23/08/2017, 06:48:49 UTC
There is a "board" but aside from HMC and Mooo, I do not see SirJacket on the game anymore at all. HMC retains decent M ownership (roughly 100bil), as does Mooo (~25 bil), but SirJacket barely has 1bil M. Voting should be based on the level of CKO ownership, or people should at least be able to assign proxies (which can be done in these tokens) to vote for them. Of course, if we give Town 60% of the game, voting may be a moot point Tongue

Ideally board membership should be based on a combination of economic stake in the Game and activity level, if SirJacket needs to be replaced for either of these reasons then now is the time to do it, while important decisions are being made.

I would prefer 5 board members to 3, but either way, we need a full compliment asap.

If SirJacket is not available anymore, then I would nominate Loaf to be his replacement.

If a 5 member board was more desirable, then I would also nominate smooth & iluvbitcoins.

Of all the things that need doing, this might be the most important to get right, a well functioning Board.

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Re: CryptoKingdom Uncensored
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Karl Hungus
on 23/08/2017, 06:25:01 UTC

He was given that opportunity before with the Zechsdick char and all he did was cause trouble.

If you have a kid who is a drug addict, it is better to sooner (rather than later when they overdose), to acknowledge that they've changed and the person who was your son or daughter simply doesn't exist due to the chemicals restructuring their brain.

I hope risto gets help with whatever is troubling him, BUT I'm not going to help enable his behavior, especially when it shits all over most everyone else. Though I'm sure some who made huge profits on his last game bender, and didn't have any cleanup to do, will be anxious for him to return in all his catch/dump glory.

And here's a hint for all those watching: If your solution adds to the admin workload or depends on PJ "Just Doing It," I'm going to stand against it unless the benefits can be rationally validated as more beneficial to the admin themselves in payouts or in the delays sure to follow in anything associated with PJ.

There are costs in time and work that the Dev fund no longer pays. Bad enough i'm paying myself out of my own invested and diluted funds.

On IRC I see that Speed has a plan that pays for itself--that's what we need more of. Not "let's just give risto his account back and hope the admin will fix it before he leaves with more funds."



OK, those actually doing the admin work should have the bigger influence on these matters anyway, I understand your frustration.

I've restructured my own CK affairs in such a way that I can sit back and watch what happens now, I've achieved what I set out to do with Gringotts & Phoenix Trust over the last couple of months, & Unicorn Corp. will continue with Roopatra at the helm, and all my other possessions are in a FOC, so my own CK affairs are simple to manage from here.

Good luck everyone, I hope the Game continues improving Smiley


“Are you in earnest? Seize this very minute:
What you can do, or dream you can, begin it;
Boldness has genius, power, and magic in it.
Only engage and then the mind grows heated;
Begin and then the work will be completed.”
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Re: CryptoKingdom Uncensored
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Karl Hungus
on 23/08/2017, 05:04:19 UTC
edit: another option is to appoint a proxy for Risto's accounts, IMO his 50% is too large to sit idle, someone needs to activate these accounts, either Risto or someone else

Yes, we were discussing on IRC newcorp which is part of his assets, though it wasn't immediately clear to me whether he is a majority shareholder or not. My suggestion was for the town to appoint a paid trustee to manage newcorp on behalf of the shareholders (probably with the choice of trustee approved by other shareholders). Appointing one to manage his assets more broadly is also likely appropriate.

If nothing else, protecting the value those accounts with reasonable administration will maximize probability and magnitude of the recovery to his victims.
A good administrator would be better than leaving them idle, and it would give someone an opportunity to build some in-game wealth from the fees.



He would likely did what he did before and create huge dump and catch orders and fuck with the game's commands--though just selling stuff cheap or hugely overpaying to fake accounts he owns would be an easy way to retake his assets--though he'd likely have to do it for real players to avoid detection. And while it is reversible it will make angry players when their "deal of a lifetime" is revoked by admin--personally I don't want to deal with the workload or rightfully angry players.  

Though giving away the only leverage we have is pretty stupid too.

That's a good point, if Risto was given his accounts back it should be on the strict understanding that he gets one chance only, and if he obviously starts creating problems that need reversing then he's banned. He might not want to agree to such conditions, so maybe this discussion is pointless anyway, but a 'rational' person would 'play' the accounts to maximise their value.

I would be prepared to give him a chance if he was interested, but I wouldn't be cleaning up any mess either ... maybe Risto will add his thoughts. I would like to see a 'rational' risto controlling his accounts trying to max his account value, it would be good for the Game.
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Re: CryptoKingdom Uncensored
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Karl Hungus
on 23/08/2017, 04:15:50 UTC
I believe there's enough reason to give Risto the benefit of the doubt, that his bad decision making was due to extreme stress induced by his personal situation, substance abuse, bad influences, genetic pre-disposition to mental health problems. Not everyone might agree, but IMO good people can lose it mentally, and do really stupid things, even act dishonestly, but later can regain their true  'character'. I'm nearly 50, and in my life I've seen good people fall down into bad behaviour many times, and some stay there, and some manage to get back up. Those who get back up sometimes need a helping hand, and some understanding. None of us are black or white, we're mostly grey.

He may need a helping hand in life, and probably most if not all of us would be happy to do that.

He does not need a helping hand in paying his debts, as he has posted a screen shot of a polo account containing millions in cryptocurrency, and claimed tens of millions more in other wealth.

His actions, not only then, when perhaps under stress for personal reasons, but also now given time to reflect, amount to telling us to fuck off and continuing to blame and insult his victims.

Yes, he fucked up, but he can well afford to cover his mistake, far better I might add, than most of those scammed by him.

After that, and even better after repayment and a sincere apology for harm done, sure, give him help, second changes, etc.

Meanwhile, if people now invest time and money into developing the game into something far more valuable, his in-game assets will easily be worth enough to repay the debts in full, along with appropriate interest and penalties. Sure, some creditors may wish to negotiate a settlement given the possibility that effort at increasing the value of the game might not be unsuccessful. That is their prerogative, and Risto may or may not cooperate in such a negotiation. The effort to develop the game can proceed in either case; his participation at this immediate juncture is neither necessary nor obviously (given his recent behavior) a net positive.

Nothing I really disagree with above, although I see a lot of Risto's behaviour as surface level bravado, hiding a deeply wounded and damaged person underneath.

I do think Risto controlling his Game accounts now would make things much more interesting for the rest of us though. He can't withdraw any funds, and without admin access he can't do any damage either, but he could use his ~50% ownership to make the Game much more fun and dynamic. So far CK has been pretty technical, and the only battles have been with non-playing entities in other lands, so there's been no point for players to build armies. If Risto was able to control his accounts then I'd say there would be a good chance we'd see some real battles, and with a neutral GM, that would make things pretty cool, and the outbreak of 'war' would be a great promo for any ICO.

At the moment with the economic engine stalled, and the health challenge optional there isn't a lot of interest factor for new players, so even if Risto just plays the 'bad guy' and builds an army and picks fights with his 'enemies', that's more interesting than what we currently have.

edit: another option is to appoint a proxy for Risto's accounts, IMO his 50% is too large to sit idle, someone needs to activate these accounts, either Risto or someone else
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Re: CryptoKingdom Uncensored
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Karl Hungus
on 23/08/2017, 03:02:11 UTC
What's his leverage to negotiate anything?
I don't think he has any leverage (he'll just walk away), but his creditors do. Hopefully some of them are willing to negotiate.


He wrecked the game and scammed a large portion of the player base by abusing his admin access. That calls for a significant to severe in-game penalty, up to and including expulsion. Attachment of his in-game assets is mild by comparison.
I believe there's enough reason to give Risto the benefit of the doubt, that his bad decision making was due to extreme stress induced by his personal situation, substance abuse, bad influences, genetic pre-disposition to mental health problems. Not everyone might agree, but IMO good people can lose it mentally, and do really stupid things, even act dishonestly, but later can regain their true  'character'. I'm nearly 50, and in my life I've seen good people fall down into bad behaviour many times, and some stay there, and some manage to get back up. Those who get back up sometimes need a helping hand, and some understanding. None of us are black or white, we're mostly grey.


IMO, once his assets are worth at least enough to pay a meaningful portion of the debt, he should be given one last opportunity to pay the debts, and then the assets can be sold (in an responsible orderly manner, which may take time). Whatever assets remain after that, he can still reclaim.
This is basically the same outcome as I am suggesting - once his in-game assets are high enough to repay his debts, he does so, and hopefully has enough left over to be a significant holder once all the debts are repaid. What I'm advocating is Risto and those he owes agree to this NOW, which would benefit everyone. Risto playing the Game as a regular player without admin privileges etc is unambiguously good IMO.
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Re: CryptoKingdom Uncensored
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Karl Hungus
on 23/08/2017, 02:33:53 UTC
Alternately, dilute M and run an ICO with the new supply. The long history of the game and existing player base can be considered as adding value through bootstrapping, and the ICO proceeds used to further develop the game engine, hire writers for storyline, etc. and launch marketing.

This is mainly what I was thinking of with the 6 tril dilution. Town gets 1 tril to have its 10%, then the 50% is used for ICO. Alternatively, can just take over Zech's 50%, give Town 10%, and ICO the 40%.

I think this is a good idea to explore, diluting M to give Town 10%, and use the remainder for an ICO to fund development. I would suggest taking the snapshot for the ownership token before the ICO, to soften the dilution a little, and maybe the numbers can be tweaked slightly, but the Game needs dev funds, and an ICO is probably the best option.

Long term, I want to see Risto regain control of his accounts and rejoin the Game, so I am not in favour of confiscating his in-game assets now for either development, or forced debt repayment. My personal opinion is Risto has already lost enough money from his involvement with CK, and he could plausibly plead some form of diminished responsibility for his bad decision making due to stress induced mental health problems. That doesn't mean the debt issue can be ignored, but IMO Risto should be given every opportunity to negotiate a 'fair' repayment plan with his creditors, probably tied in some way to the value of M.

The best outcome for the Game is:
1- Risto negotiates a repayment plan with those he owes, probably linked to the value of his assets, and regains control of his accounts
2- Re-start the economic engines of the Game, namely building payouts, taxes, etc
3- Restructure M, as outlined by Loaf/smooth above
4- Tokenise M
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Re: CryptoKingdom Uncensored
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Karl Hungus
on 18/08/2017, 02:21:55 UTC
Can I get your opinions to figure out how to proceed?
This again... Roll Eyes Hey guys, if we stop discussing maybe we will have a token just in time for BTC's next halvening... Grin


If you guys worked on this together you could split the bounty 50:50, get 20 Billion M each!

Just a suggestion Smiley



20 Billion M Bounty

Step 1: Create specs for a CK money asset. This will include things like type of blockchain, emission (if any), how it will be distributed to players, etc....

Stipulations are that the name of the asset is CK, Town gets 10% for development purposes, the development plan is complete to the point where the Board only needs to do a yes/no vote, and that you've coordinated your efforts with PJ so there aren't any unforeseen technical issues.

Step 2: Create and distribute CK to players.

Step 3: Get CK listed on an exchange that averages more than a million dollars daily in transactions.

PLEASE NOTE: This will be changing M into CK, so your Bounty will be effected if you change the supply above or below the current 4 Trillion. For example if you doubled it to 8 Trillion, your Bounty would be 40 Billion; and if you halved the current supply to 2 Trillion, your Bounty would be 10 Billion.


Gringotts will add another 20 Billion M to this bounty!
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Re: CryptoKingdom Uncensored
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Karl Hungus
on 17/08/2017, 03:22:20 UTC
I'm glad to announce Gringotts depository has received almost 4000$ worth of deposits in the first days of its opening Smiley

Gringotts Update:

Gringotts has gotten off to a good start!

Thanks to the early-bird depositors for supporting CK, both first time depositors, so, 'Welcome to the Game!'

You should both receive your S-PT deposit bonuses in a few days!!

Now for the interesting part ... what's going to happen?

Both depositors have made m3 trades, with the last price being ~4 mil M per m3 (400 mil M = 1 XMR)

That values M marketcap (4 trillion) @ ~10K XMR, or ~500K USD

Is that cheap, or expensive ... who knows, but at least we have a market now to help with price discovery, only time will tell!!

I expect a period of relative quiet while people consider their positions.

For existing players - should I stay, or should I go?

For new players - well, they finally have the option to deposit again!

Things will get interesting when the m3 buy side has a few more bids.