So things must have started to go wrong somewhere between late September to late October, and yet he continued to take orders all the way up until today, Jesus!

This was his reply on February 1st when I told him to take down the order page on his website:

From when in October exactly? I was under the impression that the company was doing well back then because apparently Mark had money and time to go on a honeymoon in late September.

Interesting message posted on the litecointalk forum:

https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=20417.255

Well, so much for being the naive optimist that I am:


 

Mark, don't tell us that we are to believe that you haven't planed this for a while. You knew it was coming, but decided to lie to us and say that you'd make everything good, if we just gave you a little time.

Everything might have started out with the best of intentions, but your actions and lies these last few months speaks volumes about you.


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I got this mail from Mark. I thought it was only fair to tell his side of the story, so here goes:

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This indeed. I sort of made an attempt at exactly that here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=942255.0, but it never gained much traction. Perhaps an online form on a website is a better solution since the affected customers are located on multiple forums.

Let's hope that Mark get his act together very soon and start to actually do what he has promised.

Well that is kind of the problem in a nutshell, he gives out promises and when he brakes them he just leaves people in complete silence

Did anyone hear anything yet?

Good to see that some action is being taken. Would be great to hear from some customers as well

The complete radio silence that many experience is in my book not acceptable, and on top of that the website keeps on selling the coins in stock like nothing has happened. IMHO he should deal with the problems at hand before trying to get more customers that could end up in the same situation. If nothing else, it is an extremely bad message he is sending and I really wish he'd start listening a bit.

Yeah, he has promised to pay me after he has taken care of his customers (IMHO, the right priority), and I of course expect him to honour his word.

In any case, let this be a lesson to everyone: If you do any work online, be freaking sure to have your payment in escrow before you start.

As already stated, though this entire show might have many of the hallmarks of a scam and many customers indeed feel cheated, I don't think it was ever intended as a scam. I know that Mark has put in a shitload of work into this project, but sadly it seems like he has tried to bite off much more than he can chew, and all along the way his pride has kept him from being open and honest about what has been going on. A really bad combo that we now see the sad result of.

I'm a bit sad that those ant coins were never made, quite some time was put into making them. If Mark doesn't pay me I'm thinking about just releasing the 3D production files and hope that at least someone will find it useful.

I'm still really hoping for an open dialogue with Mark from coinographic, but since he is ignoring all my mails this seems less and less likely.


Only about 3 months. I asked him on December 19. if I should be worried, and he replied: "Not at all, I promise the day im back in the office on 29th December I will send your payment", but never did.
But payment was irregular already in August. Whether or not this was due to bad management or lack of funds, I don't know.


This is my main concern as well. He should just remove that specific page.

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This thread is not meant as a public lynching in any way, only as a way to keep record of the matters. Everyone has a right to know what is going on so no more people lose their money. Taking down the order page should NOT take days to do.

When/if people get their money back or get what they bought, they should of course edit their post to reflect this. Everything has to be fair and correct of course.

Failing is a fair thing, but lying about it and then keeping on selling coins that were supposed to be funded but are in fact not, is an entirely different matter.

Hi,

If Mark owes you money as well, please help to shed some light on how big this whole thing is:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=942255.0

Thanks.

This is a warning to the community against buying anything from Coinographic ( http://www.coinographic.com/ ) !!!

Mark (the owner) has posted on this forum that he is closing down his company ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=938192.msg10291741#msg10291741 ), but he has not yet taken down his website where one can still buy his coins. It seems that he has run out of money and that he can neither deliver all the coins that people have already ordered or even just refund the money.

And as if that isn't bad enough in itself, some customers are now coming forward and saying that coins they have bought and received back in October 2014 are NOT even funded with Litecoins though Mark claimed they were!

I have done design work for Mark and he owes me money as well. I can live with that, I only lost time and my good name by putting it on the products of Marks fraudulent(?) company. But I would hate to see people still pay and buy coins that they will clearly never receive. Damn I wish I had known that I wasn't the only person he owed money so this could have been brought to light earlier and maybe saved others from putting money in this black hole.

DO NOT BUY ANYTHING FROM COINOGRAPHIC!!!

If you have already bought and received coins from Coinographic please check to see if your coins are in fact funded or not. If not, or if you have pre-paid and not yet received anything, please report in this thread so we can start to get an idea of how much he actually owes people in the community and for how long he has been doing this.

Please post how much and for what he owes you.

I'll start. For designing and rendering he owes me:

- 1500 EUR in bitcoins
- One fully funded gold 1BTC coin (sold for 8.9978 BTC on his site)
- One fully funded silver 1BTC coin (sold for 2.4011 BTC on his site)


[UPDATE feb 1st]

Okay, as I have already stated, this thread is not meant as a public lynching of any kind, but merely an attempt to create a little clarity where many feel there isn't enough.

I have received a reply, and Mark is promising to take care of things. He will take down the order page when he puts the form up. Though of course IMHO that should be done right away.

Here's his response to the unfunded coins claim:

"We have never sold coins unfunded but they are shipped unfunded. If someone didn't send us an email with the shipping confirmation number then they wouldn't have been funded. In any case we intend to resolve all these issues "

My honest guess to what has happened? Well, I think this whole sad situation is a result of mostly poor business decisions, and on top a terrible crypto year price-wise that didn't exactly help either. Doing this past year I mailed back and forth with Mark, and no matter what time of the day or week he always responded right away (Before things spiralled down that is) . If his intentions were to scam people I doubt that he would be working 24/7 like he did. In any case, let's wait and see what happens these next few days and hope for the best.

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Hi Mark,

Martin here. I assume this goes for me as well. I hate to call you out in public like this in these sad times, but since you have been ignoring my mails for many weeks now you leave me with no choice.

So please PM or mail me ASAP.

Thanks.

Hi Mark,

Martin here. I assume this goes for me as well. I hate to call you out in public like this in these sad times, but since you have been ignoring my mails for many weeks now you leave me with no choice.

So please PM or mail me ASAP.

Thanks.