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Re: Poker automatics scam--How I lost 9 BTC plus $12000 by a deliberately fraud
by
MustMan
on 12/10/2015, 01:51:23 UTC


Further proof:

Oct 04 2015 , I submitted a 5.078 BTC withdraw request.









My Bitcoin address:
1GoGo8vUmmmMcZnAnYTxyTwFVnZKAJ2x6B

Poker Automatics Bitcoin address:
19d9egVvZBV5zosRV28W4hryzvCfYZcXe8

Ok now WHERE THEY SENT MY 5.078 BTC TO???

Still claim that I ""tried to make double profit using my second BTC payment account"??






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Re: Poker automatics scam--How I lost 9 BTC plus $12000 by a deliberately fraud
by
MustMan
on 12/10/2015, 01:34:14 UTC
If any client has any problems he tries to resolve it.

Nobody makes a lot of screenshots posting on forum to resolve his problems.
So you had another goals. We don't know why.



P.S.
Maybe this is your goal:


........snip



Surely you don't know what my goal is.

Because lie ,cheating, fraud, scam are the inherent nature inside your body and blood.
You don't even know what the good will and good deed that an ordinary people could possibly have.

So let me tell you again what my goal that always puzzled you is :

Warn others people not to stepping into this greedy trap that you set up again.

It is just that that simple!

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Re: Poker automatics scam--How I lost 9 BTC plus $12000 by a deliberately fraud
by
MustMan
on 12/10/2015, 01:27:41 UTC
asksisk@hotmail.com  is not my e-mail account.

all your requests were sent from this email. this email is in your account.
your ticket was sent from this email.
even after your forum post all messages were sent from this email.
(with a link to this thread)


10.10.2015

On 10 October 2015 at 07:24, <asksisk@hotmail.com> wrote:


>Look here dumb asses.Everyone trusts me in the forum

>https:// bitcointalk .org/index.php?topic=1204396.msg12643181

>I'm bringing your program down.I've all evidence that are against you.

>MNO will be the next place I'm reporting you guys to.Have fun!

or now you'll say this is not your message?


Ridiculous, lie again!

You can arbitrarily claim that all email accounts like
asksisk@xxxx.xxx all belong to me!


Look how fragile and weak oral evidence you provided.

You can easily change everything that belong to me inside poker automatics, not to mention just a similar email accounts like my.

I strongly suspect that this email accounts asksisk@hotmail.com is owned by you ( or poker automatics), used to defame me or cover up your obvious selective scam.


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Re: Poker automatics scam--How I lost 9 BTC plus $12000 by a deliberately fraud
by
MustMan
on 11/10/2015, 13:29:35 UTC

Totally nonsense, ridiculous.

Another lie again!


asksisk@hotmail.com  is not my e-mail account.


"We don't have any clients who lost even $1 using our program"

Endless lie......



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Re: Poker automatics scam--How I lost 9 BTC plus $12000 by a deliberately fraud
by
MustMan
on 11/10/2015, 06:07:29 UTC

Let us imagine a scenario:

If a HYIP intends to selectively scam you, because you put a lot of funds into it, or they thought that you has already earned enough money from them and you dare trying to withdraw your principal back.

Then what will happen?
In a short period of time, let us assume 5 days period from Sep 27~Oct 01 .

Something strange and inexplicable coincidence and even weird thing will happen to you, you will find in that short 5-days period :

Your payment account was altered to an unknown account not belong to you.
They claim they sent you your money.

You shocked and asking them for an explanation, but no response at all, even not a single message received about the so-called payment account altered.

Now you finally realized, this is an intentionally selective scam, no matter how many mails you sent is just like throwing into deep deep dark sea, it is useless to wrote to them.

You await few days until they finally blocked your account, and you ponder : should I keep silent? and just let it gone with the wind.

No one knows the truth except YOU!

No! you decided to make it public , you have no any expectations to have your principal back, you sure know this is an intentionally selective scam, and you should warn others people not to stepping into this trap again.

So you make it public.

Now that HYIP exposes their inherent nature in public eyes, using one lie to cover up another lie....

They viciously claim that that altered account is yours, and you "tried to make double profit using your second payment account".

They may even claim that you are from another HYIP fabricating all these is just to strike them.....

And so on, and so on.....

And you, you know that you are still holding other screetshots for froof....

But You feel a little tired of spending so much time to post these articles just to expose the ugly truth you faced.....

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Re: Poker automatics scam--How I lost 9 BTC plus $12000 by a deliberately fraud
by
MustMan
on 10/10/2015, 13:58:14 UTC

You didn't store your personal data in confidentiality or you tried to make double profit using your second payment account.

First, that is cliche of selective scam saying.
I still fully control of my e-mail account, and I didn't receive any single message from you regarding important matters such as the so-called my changing payment account.

Second, why should I do this? especially when I made public of your deliberately selective scam in order to "make double profit using my second payment account"??

Am I crazy enough to do this just to make double profit ??
That is total nonsense and ridiculous saying !

Quite the opposite, I do this because I have no any expectations to have my money back, so I made it public!



Looks like after you got your profit with over 6,000 USD you just try to blackmail us through this forum post without any risks for your money.



You must be losing your mind to make you say so.
What do I get to "blackmail you in public" ?? yes, in public.

Whether I stay quiet or made public your deliberately selective scam, I got nothing both.
Stay quiet after you scammed me, I got nothing except losing my money.
Made public your deliberately selective scam, I got nothing also, and still losing my money.

But make others not scammed by you from now on after reading my post, that is what I got and deserve to do.

P.S. No need and no longer to waste my time to respond to Poker Automatics, leave the readers to judge himself.
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Re: Poker automatics scam--How I lost 9 BTC plus $12000 by a deliberately fraud
by
MustMan
on 10/10/2015, 03:00:41 UTC
-snip-

Im pretty sure he mentioned his details were changed AFTER he requested a withdrawal and not before.

The scamming technique used by hyip's by changing users data and claiming they were hacked are common. Everyone knew you were gonna say this so im afraid you need better reasoning.

Yes, you are absolutely right with this.

My account details was changed AFTER I requested a withdrawal .

And this constitute a solid proof that poker automatics is lying about that I am hacked (or even that they were hacked ) and that caused my account was altered or asked to alter.


So I don't need to say a single word to refute them, because "Everyone knew they were gonna say this so" !

Now look at this screenshot again。

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Re: Poker automatics scam--How I lost 9 BTC plus $12000 by a deliberately fraud
by
MustMan
on 10/10/2015, 02:52:57 UTC

Sorry you didn't make as much profit as you expected. YOU ARE A WINNER!. You came out the other side with more money than you went in with.
It didn't work out as you had hoped but you could have ended up at loss. Sorry that i'm not to sympathetic. I have been playing in hyips a long time and hate to read when someone is not happy that they didn't make as much profit as they expected. In my opinion you should only complain if you actually LOST.

In any event, You played this one in a way that didn't = loss. learn from this and in the future you might do even better Smiley


Yes, after all I am still the winner in this event.

But as mentioned above, I will never put any money into any HYIP again.


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Re: Poker automatics scam--How I lost 9 BTC plus $12000 by a deliberately fraud
by
MustMan
on 10/10/2015, 02:50:58 UTC
Sorry for that, but it's kind of stupid to invest such an amount into a HYIP. The most money I've ever invested in such a scheme was 1500$ (EU5), as it was clear the admins try to pay as long as possible. But even there you're of course not safe - because it's always a ponzi scheme.

But I mean 12.000$ + 9 BTC (~2.200$) is more than risky - it's crazy..

I even wonder the admin did not instantly freeze your account after such deposits, because of his anonymity there is no reason for him besides his honesty to payout anything.


I think there are two reasons for them not instantly freeze my account then:

1) they want to lure me to invest more money into it.
2) they still don't lure enough funds so they just await the right time to ""selective scamming" or run away with all their customers money.


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Re: Poker automatics scam--How I lost 9 BTC plus $12000 by a deliberately fraud
by
MustMan
on 10/10/2015, 02:48:06 UTC
First of all, I'm really sorry for for you! But let me ask you... How did you invest such a lot of money without even making a research about the site? The site looks shaddy at least.

Anyways, thanks for warning us about this!



I an new to HYIP, my investment started in the end of 2014, so I am not so familiar with the risk that involved and I didn't see any negative news about poker automatics at the beginning until you learn the lesson you need.

I think I was too greedy for quick money that leading me to invest such a lot of money......  Sad

I will never put any money into any HYIP again.

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Re: Poker automatics scam--How I lost 9 BTC plus $12000 by a deliberately fraud
by
MustMan
on 10/10/2015, 02:46:30 UTC
poker automatics (like many other hyip sites) did selected scamming... they paid out small amounts and even some big ones to lure in more people...
there were already a lot of reports against them since the past few months... well, guess you had money to burn... expensive lesson learnt i hope..
amounts like those can make a very decent income from trading mate.. nevertheless, sorry for your loss.

Yes I learned this tough lesson now to know what is "selected scamming"!  Grin

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Poker automatics scam--How I lost 9 BTC plus $12000 by a deliberately fraud
by
MustMan
on 09/10/2015, 13:44:31 UTC

Stay away from Poker automatics (https://pokeram.com/),
withdraw all your money ASAP before it is too late !


Here I want to report a deliberately selective scam about Poker automatics, which is a high-yield investment program (HYIP).

But first sorry for my poor English since it is not my native language.

I started investing my money into Poker automatics around November 2014, everything went smoothly, so I increasing my investment from hundreds of dollars to thousands of dollars in the first half year.

On May 30 2015, I truly believe that Poker automatics is a good place to earn quick money, so I boldly invest $12000 into a Level 5 project ($10000~2999-70%-120 days), it means this project will expire on Sep 27 2015 for 120 days, estimated return around 20% every month for 4 months.

Till then I total invest $12000 plus 9 BTC (Bitcoin) into Poker automatics.





Ok, that seems a good deal, and I am really happy earn every day just like Poker automatics has promised.

But on Aug, I came across the series articles by Haley Hintze revealing that Poker automatics is "Likely Return of the Remote Poker Ponzi Scam"

Poker Automatics, Part 1: Likely Return of the Remote Poker Ponzi Scam
http://www.flushdraw.net/news/misc/poker-automatics-p1-likely-return-remote-poker-ponzi-scam/

Poker Automatics, Part 2: Deconstructing a Faked Launch?
http://www.flushdraw.net/news/misc/poker-automatics-part-2-deconstructing-faked-launch/"

Poker Automatics, Part 3: Not-Quite Legit Payments and a Ready-Made Exit Strategy
http://www.flushdraw.net/news/misc/poker-automatics-part-3-not-quite-legit-payments-ready-made-exit-strategy/"

These series articles aroused my suspicion of Poker automatics due to my large amounts of money investing there.

And this suspicion caused me starting screenshot my account and my operations from Sep 25 to Oct 07 prepared as the "proof" in case of some unexpected scam happened.

Unfortunately, my suspicion finally became a reality, and every screenshot I made became the solid proof of a deliberately selective scam.

On Sep 27 2015 when the $12000 120 days project finally expired.









Since reading Haley Hintze series articles, I thought it is not wise and safe to put any of my money there again, and in order to "safely" withdraw all of my money , instead of withdraw all the money at one time, I tried submit a $7000 withdrawal request the same day to test and left the rest $5000 for later withdrawal.

As all the HYIP's rules, where to invest you funds from is where to withdraw your profits to, and Poker automatics has no exception.

My funds source is from my Perfect Money(PM) account U8019013.





According to Poker automatics rule ,there is no ways to change your payment account by yourself except writing support a mail and asking them to change this payment account for you.

Typically there is no reason to change this payment account and you even have no any reason to change your payment account if your payment account runs smoothly.

Sorry for the above lengthy details but it is very important for you to understand how this deliberately scam happened.

The same day On Sep 27 2015 after project expired, I submitted a $7000 withdrawal request .





Sep 27 2015 was sunday, and according to their FAQs it says:

"Withdrawal can take from 1 to 5 working days from the date of registration of the application. Usually it takes less time than mentioned.This is due to the fact that all customers funds are on poker bots accounts in poker rooms and it takes some time
to transfer money."

Due to the large amounts I requested , so I patiently await my money arrive to my Perfect Money(PM) account U8019013.

On Oct 01 2015 ,Thursday, something very strange happened.

When I login Poker automatics , I found my $7000 withdrawal state already changed from "pending" to "completed".





That means they send $7000 to my Perfect Money account U8019013, and strangely enough I didn't receive any mail as usual to notify me my money has arrived to my PM account, and after I checked my PM account found my $7000 still didn't arrive to my account U8019013.

The last time I received this kind of notice was on Sep 28 2015 as follow:





"Received Payment 73.08 USD from account U3129564 to account U8019013. Batch: 103400931. Memo: API Payment.
Invoice 5947201, asksisk.

U3129564 is Poker automatics PM account, they always use this account to send their customers profits.
U8019013 is my PM account as mentioned above.
asksisk is my login account.

When I look into what happened with my $7000, I was astonished to find that my Poker automatics payment account was changed from original U8019013 to an unknown
account not belong to me :U9476692
.





I further checked the $7000 withdrawal  "completed state" found the $7000 was sent to an unknown PM payment account U9476692 also.





Ok, Now the truth is clear enough, someone inside Poker automatics secretly (or openly?) changed my PM payment account to an unknown account not belong to me :U9476692.

No wonder my $7000 withdrawal didn't arrive to my account U8019013, and will never ever have any chance to credit to my account.

I must say, this is totally a deliberately scam scheme, they deliberately try to make an ilusion or an excuse that my $7000 withdrawal has been sent.
(or even evil enough to claim that that unknow account U9476692 is belong to me.)

I immediately submitted a ticket and wrote to support both to ask them to give me an explanation for this very strange phenomenon.

But no any response at all.

On Oct 7 2015, my account was totally blocked, no way to login.





Finally I lost 9 BTC plus $12000 dollars by a deliberately fraud. Angry

Maybe someone will say something like this: you deserve this, don't you see this is highly risky HYIP ,never ever invest that you can not afford to lose.

Yes I know, no HYIP will last forever, but luckily enough, the total funds I lost there is much less than I earned there.

The main goal of my scam report is to warn everybody that my encounter is a strong sign indicating that the fate of Poker automatics is going to its end.

At first they may selectively scam the large funds such as my, and gradually medium funds fall into their victim, and finally reaching the tipping point, Poker automatics will run away with all their customers money!

Good luck everybody, no HYIP will last forever,
especially those who still invest with Poker automatics.

Stay away from Poker automatics, withdraw all your money ASAP
before it is too late !


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Re: How to sign a message?!
by
MustMan
on 07/09/2015, 04:52:32 UTC

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Code:
----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hi redsn0w,
today is 2015.03.15 and I am in control
of the address 1Le5jXpxvANv3v5Vfx9FY3XZjHjRm8fvzg
Shorena
-----BEGIN SIGNATURE-----
1Le5jXpxvANv3v5Vfx9FY3XZjHjRm8fvzg
INgOLoHP97AbQDN46R6/0Y73SXOW2lcnjaYoppubBY2sCGEqaylfvJrtAlqcN0sm/1v96YHuU7xcEYgKX7wxoQQ=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----

Great post shorena, just sent you a 0.01 BTC tip:
1Le5jXpxvANv3v5Vfx9FY3XZjHjRm8fvzg

Also donate 0.1 BTC to MOAS - MIGRANT OFFSHORE AID STATION, thanks much for your info.

No doubt you really have a beautiful mind! Wink
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Re: [ANN] BIT-X.com | Bitcoin Debit Card | No Monthly Fees!
by
MustMan
on 29/08/2015, 01:23:06 UTC
The biggest advantage of Xapo and Bit-X is the fact that the cards are linked directly to your wallet so no need to cash your bitcoin in order to load fiat onto the card.


This is the most important reason why I choose Bit-x card and discard many other bitcoin debit cards I own.

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Re: [ANN] BIT-X.com | Bitcoin Debit Card | No Monthly Fees!
by
MustMan
on 22/07/2015, 06:14:19 UTC
No monthly inactive fees for all Bit-X Bitcoin Debit Cards!

Additionally, there are no regular monthly fees for the first 10,000 cards purchased (which is still available).
Welcome, wonderful!
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Re: [ANN] BIT-X.com | Bitcoin Debit Card | Spend Your Bitcoins Anywhere!
by
MustMan
on 02/07/2015, 01:06:46 UTC
Any updates on lowering down the inactivity fee?
Not at this moment in time.

I truly believe your card would be definitely competitive compared to other existing cards if some restrictions are removed and fees lowering down.

I like your card's convenience of spending funds directly from BTC account but I would love more and happy more to use your card and willing to discard other cards in hand IF you either lower down (better cancel) the inactivity fee or reduce transaction times in a month to a reasonable condition.
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Re: [ANN] BIT-X.com | Bitcoin Debit Card | Spend Your Bitcoins Anywhere!
by
MustMan
on 29/06/2015, 08:35:01 UTC
Got my card several days ago after 8 days shipping, activated the card earlier today, then go to local mart give it a try, and paid my bill very smoothly, satisfied with the card operation.

Some thoughts about this card:
1) Fees of POS seems rather reasonable.

2) The monthly inactivity fee and 5 times a month transaction is a big turnoff.
Under this strict condition I wonder if I will keep using this card or not.

3)The limit of this card is way too low even if you pass the so-called basic verification, and in essence this kind of verification is totally not "basic" at all, since you got to submit all your Passport or ID card , and your residential address proof.
From my past experiences with other websites which also need these same kind of verification, but if I submit all these documents to them, I got FULL verification except BIT-X !
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Re: [OFFICIAL]Bitfinex.com first Bitcoin P2P lending platform for leverage trading
by
MustMan
on 06/01/2015, 04:56:28 UTC

For Bitfinex, FRR already became a Religious persist......

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Re: [OFFICIAL]Bitfinex.com first Bitcoin P2P lending platform for leverage trading
by
MustMan
on 22/12/2014, 03:21:30 UTC
More than $1 million undercutting the FRR. I wonder what kind of returns are getting those trying to lend at the FRR...

It's a pity that we can no longer automatically lend our $, unless we autorenew at a fixed rate.

Bitfinex PR might say: then don't lend................


FRR is useless for those who lend at it.
FRR is a joke for those who can't adjust it.
FRR is a silly joke for those who still maintain it.
FRR is a ridiculous joke for those who still think it has any functionality except distorting free swaps market.

Every creature must find a way to survive for itself.

Undercutting FRR is just a self-help measure to survive and a signal to protest
under existing monstrous FRR tyranny.

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Re: [OFFICIAL]Bitfinex.com first Bitcoin P2P lending platform for leverage trading
by
MustMan
on 26/11/2014, 06:46:42 UTC
First off, this was my suggestion a while ago, and NO, that is not what would happen at all, because why would EVERYONE pick '-0.0001%'? Some people would pick  '-0.01%' or -0.02%', and I still don't think that the "wall" is a valid complaint. It means that here is a bunch of offers which NOBODY TOOK. That means someone else's offer was taken. It means that all those using the FRR are NOT competing because they don't have active swaps. I love how people keep saying "you aren't going to get good rates using FRR, you should actively manage or use a bot", and then say that they can't compete with the FRR.

The problem with the FRR is that it creates a ton of offers at a very specific price point ( the wall ), which becomes so large that any active lenders are going to specifically target that number to undercut (otherwise we simply can't make enough money to be worthwhile).  That means that unless there is a HUGH flash run, the FRR will constantly go down, because all the lends going out are below THAT SPECIFIC point.  By spreading pending loans out along a much wider range, even with millions in pending loans, each specific price point would likely have very little waiting, so active traders would have more flexibility in choosing a target to undercut.  This would create a much more natural moving average, up in heavy demand, down in light demand.  As it is right now, I'd be willing to bet the vast majority of loans are always taken out just a few point below the FRR, which isn't a natural price flow at all, but a permanent strong downward pressure, regardless of current demand.




Secondly, is there any way you could add your own FRR calculation to your bot? For example, could I either create or modify a bot that simply duplicates the current FRR calculation and offers at that rate? Again, I think it is interesting, because if everyone simply chose to use that calculation (as they ARE doing right now), the situation would be identical (besides the floating of the rate) and you would still get a "wall".

I wouldn't be able to create my own FRR unless I had access to all active loans via the API. Well, I could probably fudge something pretty close together based on historic market data, etc, but why would I want to?  I'm only interested in algorithms that spread out offers, so loans can go out in a more natural spread.

I just think that the "wall" that people are complaining about will always exist in that there are a lot of people competing for a fixed amount of demand, the people willing to go the lowest are the ones who make ANY return, and right now, you have people who are using the FRR in order to passively gain returns staying OUT of that competition at least some of the time (whenever there is a wall).

I disagree completely.  If there would "always be a wall", then why doesn't this carry over to buying and selling coins?  I don't always see walls on the orderbooks, yet we're competing for limited supply and  demand there.  Walls are not common in a traditional market, and are almost always the result of a single entity attempting to manipulate  the market.  Its just in relation to FRR, Bitfinx itself is the manipulator.


So even though some people might complain, others seem to be jumping in front to push that rate lower...

We're complaining about the fact that the market feels very controlled and manipulated.  If it were a natural flow market, even if the rates went lower as a result, I wouldn't complain.  I would be happy to compete in a natural market, whatever the result.

It continues to grow, because in my opinion, it offers an extremely great risk to reward ratio.

Despite my complaints above, I agree with this completely. Wink  That's why I'm still here, and its why I care.  I'd hate to see this become untrue...  

I agree with your points, and I am really glad you are part of this discussion now. That is the most concisely someone has summed up the current problems with the FRR, and it was why I suggested allowing a delta to offset from this current number. The other side of it that we are working on, is creating an FRR that moves more fluidly, this would mean that you couldn't just "set it and forget it" underneath the FRR, because that number would change every hour, and track the market better.

The part that always frustrates me, and why I like your comment, is because you don't have a rate agenda in mind. If the rate lowers without the FRR, you are ok with that. So, it is the most intellectually honest critique. Just wanted to say thanks.

I must say you are not that smart than I thought you should be.

You always preconceived with the notion that everyone arguing with FRR issues here must  "have a rate agenda in mind".

The truth is most of people discussing FRR here cares more about free flow rates than kind of rate in their mind.
and this man-made distorted FRR system is broken as I said previously.

As HowardF said it well: Bitfinx itself is the manipulator.
and it is you Bitfinx that causes swarp rates not flow freely.

If it were a free flow swap market, nobody would complain and should not complain.  

Because everybody would be happy to compete in this natural free market no matter how lower the rates is.

Edit: Despite you dealing with FRR badly,
I still think your are the best BTC exchange I can see and willing honestly communicate with its customers on public forum !

Edit2: imo, just keep the FRR only for reference , don't let it be the option to autolend, and this free the swarp markets !