Hhampuz,

first of all it is you who started messing the new and old campaign in the new thread. So don't be surprised I started to check the new thread for updates on both, too.

Then, let me tell you, since we are having our conversation here, that the rules Lutpin posted were applying to weekly rounds.  Then he had his rounds biweekly, and then unpredictably-many-weekly, and rules updated to reflect this, but never offically, but you can easily open his spreadsheet to check this out (6-weekly rounds and so on). So there were no rule to have 15 posts per week, but the rule he used instead was to have 15*n posts in n weeks. And that threshold I met.

So I am very surprised I didn't receive any payment.

Please play the old Lutpin's campaign by his and lightlord's rules, it is the only fair way. I saw your spreadsheet with additional rounds, but it is NOT how Lutpin had it, you created your own (cheaper for you organizers) way of handling this.

Summing up, I expect to be paid for the last (god-knows-how-many-weeks) round and I expect the 10% bonus. I understand the chances that I will not receive any of those exist, but it is only due to you not paying out fair.

And well, I am grown up Moreover, I really don't want to be a part of it anymore, I entered this convo to help others see how dirty you guys play with us, participants and to prove my initial point, which was: you will do anything to avoid paying honestly, you will follow the rules strictly when it suits you; and you will not, when it suits you better.

Well you are. And he didn't pay some 3-4 old Bitvest participants and has already broken his word to have it done in one day (his post dated Dec 31th https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5088858.msg48983657#msg48983657). They are not transparent. 

Well, is it taken care of already? You are not keeping your word. Seems to confirm what I have been talking all along, that you guys treat the old participants extremely unfair. The Pharmacist used words "like shit" and maybe it is closer to the truth.


So now exceptional additional arrangements are being made for the handful of chosen ones? I (and many others I know from the old campaign) have been loyal to the campaign for a year. I understand that a year is too little to promote from "shit" to "exceptional additional arrangement"?

That is premature. The red asterisk should stay. Let them prove they operate honestly. The start they had is not the honest fresh start from a clean slate, they were announcing to have a new manager but what they did instead is they closed the previous campaign and launched a new one. This is something they were*not* announcing and a real surprise to some of the previous participants. Also they have not even paid the previous participants.

They have a rule that they will remove anybody having red trust, but the owner himself is red trusted.

I say you guys should watch how they resolve their issues, not base your opinions on what is claimed there.

If not true, then, as I said in my response to Hhampuz: just stand by what you yourself have said/promised in the thread and I will gladly say I was very wrong in my assessment.

the easier the task to move them all would have been. Not saying, that any that may have left or gone inactive is just an effect of the campaign being mostly inactive since Dec 4th, a sure effect of your own (=organizators') actions. But what really happened, I believe, is that all of them, like me, were just waiting for (how Lutpin has put it) a new campaign manager since Lutpin's announcement. Just read the comments since Dec 4th.

Well, what is the fair assessment? I have cited posts on which I based my assessment. Just stand by what was written in the thread previously by the previous manager and Lightlord and I will gladly say I was wrong.

Hi Lightlord and Hhampuz,

I am not saying it is unfair to old campaign participants that you didn't move us to the new campaign, because I don't want to look like I am complaining. It is just you guys cannot be trusted

First, Lutpin pays every two months and provides lame excuses every time, it goes on for half a year, and not even one comment from lightlord during that time.

Then some comments appeared from Lutpin that a new manager is coming soon (soon = it took 20 days in reality):

Note, that talk is about new manager and handling over the campaign, not a new campaign.

Then lightlord sais of a new campaign manager, not a new campaign:

What really happened? You guys on the eve of Dec 24th, when everybody was celebrating Christmas (not looking to your threads), silently created a whole new thread, new campaign and cancelled the old one. Old participants were removed (me, szpalata, megynacuna, god knows how many more). Some new people who by chance were online during that time singed up. Why? Do you do it in hope to save that 10% Bonus? If so, you should just not have mentioned it in the first place, lightlord.

You still have an option to correct your wrongdoings, but they are getting fewer with every move you make: now you have old campaign members you need to recompensate as well as new campaign participants you need to recompensate. I doubt that you will. This is why I am saying, you cannot be trusted.

EDIT: read what I have written above Lightlord and maybe you will not be that surprised your account is flagged red:

EDIT2: if truth, thanks for the bonus

The same with me. I should have been paid 0,001 BTC more, at least, not counting bonus posts. In relation to "more than a month" - it has been two months already, less a day or two.

The thing is that the ticket comes with opportunities and with risks! Nobody has a cristal sphere showing the future, and nobody knows for sure what will happen with the price. Me - I think that the price will grow. But there are no guarantees!

it sounds exactly like a description of a bubble. Well, I believe that bitcon is not the bubble and it will still eventually grow with the growing adoption
Yes, the assets are different type and not so correlated, so it makes sense to diversify between them

Still it is much different then Amazon accepting Bitcoin.

If I open a service and tell you "mate, you can pay me in bitcoin and then I buy things for you, whatever you want, groceries, computer hardware, clothing, just give me your list, moreover - I operate globally, because I will ship the goods regardless of your location and the merchant location", well, it is not the same as global bitcoin acceptance, and moreover, probably everybody would be too scared to pay me in the first place. I would be.

I don't know so much about pools and their motivations, but (if I were part of such an operation at present) I would think that if I miss the newest ASICs, probably my competition will go for it and I will be a loser eventually. And because everybody else is thinking the same, I would rather expect new ASICs to be introduced, although, of course, in the long run, it is shooting your own leg.

of course it is FUD, the article is just hypothesizing on people's motivation, how the hell can they know who is selling and why?

I think it is only a question of time. New services pop up every time - for example, today I have heard of this new Revolut card, revolutionizing the way you can pay with cards with different fiat currencies. Who knows, maybe tomorrow it will be a service doing bitcoin in cooperation with banks.

Yes it is entertaining but it also is a good field test (and it comes for free for bitcoin) of some theories behind how the big blocks would behave in practice. Example: the recent 2 block reorg in BCH SV blockchain. It was only theory - until it happened, because of the blocks being too large to be sustainable.

Well one might compare this decline to the previous (historical) events and the conclusion would be that the bottom has been probably already reached, however in past events the price stayed at the bottom for several months, so this time I wouldn't expect it to go up immediately either

well, referring the thread title you might say "Gold has been around for millennia and when it was down 90% Nobody said >Gold is Dead<, what about bitcoin?"

I answer, that bitcoin has not been around for millennia and that is the difference, don't you think?

It is not Amazon accepting bitcoin, but an independent service (with an uncertain and shady reputation) providing payments in USD for you, while you pay them in bitcoin. It is something completely different, wouldn't you think?

Exactly, I have the same observations, I mined back then in 2014 or whatever year it was when bitcoin price started growing and ASICs started to come into play. I learnt a big deal, and I wouldn't have changed it, but the price and difficulty increase made it impossible to mine at some point, so I sold my cards and after short calculation it proved I would have been much better off if I simply bought the same amount in BTC, not mined.

Well I have a standard policy of generating hard passwords and not keeping them if I use a web site only once - if a time comes I need to reuse it, I just ask for a password reset via email and that's it. When, on the other hand, I have an important password, like a bitcoin private key, I am very meticulous about storing it safely. So, I don't buy their argument at all.