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Re: Merit source rework
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Xiestar
on 09/06/2025, 03:34:02 UTC
Shout out to @Hhampuz, Your Rollbit campaign is the popular destination of merit farmer. Try to check most of your campaign member post history and the way they get merit.  Roll Eyes

Shout out to you, Xiestar. Try to become a campaign manager and you can run your campaigns in whatever way you want Roll Eyes

You received lots of merits for posting this shit?

Lots people here are so hypocrits on making merits use strictly yet using it on ass licking purposes.



Why not consider rechecking your campaign participants?

Why should I try. I’m not even aspiring to become one. I’m pointing out to you a concern since it’s your job not mine.

You keep accepting participants as “new bloods” that obviously a product of merit farming. They are just jerking around merit from merit thread then post the same generic sports post on football once accepted.
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Re: Merit source rework
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Xiestar
on 08/06/2025, 16:09:40 UTC
I've suggested that smerit automatically be distributed based on activity.   The higher ranked, more active members would get more smerit than the lower ranks; this does not duplicate the activity value, as that is beneficial to the giver, while smerit is beneficial only to the receiver.   I have no ideas about the formula needed - that can be discussed
The Merit system was introduced to reduce spam, including spam from account farmers. What you're proposing would give account farmers all the sMerit they need to rank up by spamming, and I don't think anyone wants to go back there.


How sure you are that account is already stopped? This merit requirements just make the account farming exclusive for those who have the merit source.

Try to look on local board and see for yourself the reality. A newbie posting few months of merit begging on local board and merit source thread then go straight on signature campaign application once they gain enough merit is very common on local board like Nigeria, Indonesia, Turkey and more.

Account farming only becomes exclusive but not stopped. The clear result is it removes the casual forum user that doesn’t do a wall post just to beg for merit. Currently, discussion in the forum is less organic probably because only less people organically controlling each account.

I’m sure most of this alt farms is controlled by some established member here due to the nature of their constructive post immediately as newbie just to gain merit quickly since they knew the sweet spot of merit source.



This user is an example for potential merit farming: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=3357535

This user failed to join on multiple campaign before March 8 until he received of multiple merit on his generic post.

Amazing right? This is one of the example of alt farming becomes exclusive only to user with connection to merit source.

I like the idea of giving smerit to all user on random count. I mean what the heck is your problem with that?

Campaign manager should do their job to check the post quality instead of relying on merit count for fuck sake if signature campaign is the reason for this gate keeping Lord @LoyceV.
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Re: Do you think campaign managers enrol their alts in their own campaigns?
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Xiestar
on 24/05/2025, 10:38:28 UTC
1xbit is probably the best example here. Many hacked account suddenly woke just to join signature campaign then later on stop posting after the campaign ends.

Funny thing is they are always become active whenever 1xbit campaign is live again and keep getting the spot.

No one will purchased high rank account just to suicide on a signature campaign that pay less to the account worth itself.
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Re: Question about actmyname's spammer tag
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Xiestar
on 24/05/2025, 10:32:23 UTC
This is the result of campaign manager ignoring the DD on each participants and relying solely on tag or merit counts.

I think post quality and relevance of the board which user frequently posting should be the main criteria on choosing campaign members for specific project.

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Why should campaign manager keep picking a member to promote a services that he doesn’t like or he keeps posting on board which the service is not relevant.

This merit counts that obviously from merit circle and positive trust from a backscratcher sugar coat with simple penny amount trade is being use as front to be easily accepted on signature campaign while the post quality itself is below average especially on gambling boards.

This is the product of campaign manager less DD because they are busy on multiple management project at the same time.
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Re: I left that feedback knowing it would probably lead to...
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Xiestar
on 10/05/2025, 08:02:08 UTC
This drama will never be extended if only the 2 party involved will reconcile and talk seriously without the butting in. Yet both you just seeking for support to prove the other party is wrong that’s why this will never end.

Those extra side comments that stir the issue to make it a big deal make the forum drama worst. And guess what, Because of the +1 post on signature campaign.

Only @Vod is legitimately posting on this board without the hypocrisy of signature campaign. Smh!
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Re: Why nutildah give trust on me.??
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Xiestar
on 08/05/2025, 16:15:10 UTC
The problem is accounts like this couldn't give a damn about the "quality" of their posts. They are just posting for the sake of what they assume will be easy merits, under the auspices that rank is all that matters when applying for a signature campaign (actual content of posts be damned). It works like this (don't think I'm spilling any secrets anymore):

1. Pick a thread frequented by loose merit sources.
2. Copy/paste something bullish about bitcoin from X.
3. Wait for the merits to trickle in.

Doing any more work than this would render the task above that of "easy money," so that's why they will never do it. They would rather just create a dozen accounts and have them all flounder at Member status, never actually learning a single thing, except for how to suck up to merit sources more efficiently.
This method is actually working! Check Rollbit signature campaign and other campaigns handle by manager. All the user is doing same shit merit fishing on different thread that merit is generous while the user post is generic AF.

We should admit that merit count matters now over post quality. Even Duelbits campaign now only consider minimum 50 merit regardless on how you get it.

Every merit jerker knew this secret sauce.
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Re: Petition to remove signature display on Reputation and Scam Acc. CB
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Xiestar
on 08/05/2025, 16:09:48 UTC
Good luck with that, lol.
I also think the same.
But wait a moment, this section has been existing right from onset and there are no limitations on either signature display ads why then jr.member suggesting for the removal of sig ads over here?
Does it means it pains op seeing people who are higher than him or she being paid over here while he earns nothing? I believe this could be the only reason why such suggestions is being raised. As I know it attract more attention to this section since sigs are allowed lot of people could look into section to handle and iron out cases.

Keep doing that to prove I’m right with my suggestion. This kind of nonsense comment is the reason for this thread.

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Re: Petition to remove signature display on Reputation and Scam Acc. CB
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Xiestar
on 08/05/2025, 12:42:32 UTC
For the "fun" of it, and to address one of OP's claims directly: he's right in that there is a lot of "butting in" by posters who contribute no meaningful dialogue to discussion of the topic at hand. However, this is not limited to these boards in particular. It happens in every single section of the forum. True, some of it is from signature campaigns. But some of it is from trolls, some of it is done in anger, and some of it is from people who feel the need to post their thoughts even if they are less-than-intelligent contributions, regardless of whether or not they are in a sig campaign.


The goal of this thread is to make those serious becomes less spam post to easily arrived to conclusions without the butting in post.

Other boards are not considered serious because it doesn’t contain risk.

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In short, nothing is going to change that will satisfy OP. He probably just doesn't want people tagging cheaters and scammers, anyway.

How come do you arrive on this conclusion. I even requested to you for investigation on accounts that obviously abusing merit to farm their accounts. This is happening on many local boards.

I only don’t want injustice by bullying small time cheater while there’s a blatant cheating happening in the form of merit jerker which is legally working on campaigns that handled by campaign manager that consider only merit count rather than where the merit get.

You can tag as many as you want. I never said what you said. My goal is not to stop fighting cheaters rather focus on what is blatantly merit jerking.



I don’t buy that other account ranking fast because they are a good poster. They ranking fast because they are an alt account of established member that knew already how to farm merit.

I’m generalizing but those local boards regular poster peeps is highly suspicious.



Someone with same intellect with @LoyceV can do multiple account and farm merit easily with those boards.

Again, I’m only using @LoyceV as example because he is the most established user here and the best example for high intellect user.
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Re: Possible cheating in Betpanda campaign
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Xiestar
on 07/05/2025, 08:04:58 UTC
So, screw the cheaters. And screw the lazy ones.

Screw campaign manager that doesn’t accept you because you can post more?

That's not what he's saying at all. He's saying he posts more because he genuinely enjoys posting (I know its impossible for you to believe, but some people actually enjoy posting here). In all probability he doesn't have a host of alt accounts either, so he has more time to post what he wants, when he wants. Imagine that...

He is trying to imposed that his behavior should be the standard here.

If he is enjoying posting then why the heck he needs to apply on signature campaign?


Above post quota is already considered as overtime without pay.
This is perhaps one of the stupidest takes I've ever read about this forum. And I've seen a lot of stupid takes.
Seriously, what’s the sense of having post quota on campaign.

So if you are working 8hrs at job, you will extend up to 12hrs without pay because you are not lazy? Following the work guidelines is not a sign of laziness. You’re just a hypocrite.

Its not a "job", its a privilege.
And who define this shit?

It’s the most hypocritical take. You are being paid per post therefore it’s a job no matter how you twist it. Wtf privilege is this. You are applying to get a spot to do the job of posting while signature is attached on your sig space.
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Re: Petition to remove signature display on Reputation and Scam Acc. CB
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Xiestar
on 06/05/2025, 06:42:07 UTC
OP is butt hurt, lol.
It appears so. Petition to ignore OP's petition:
Ban @LoyceV for signature and avatar promotion, let’s see if he will still be active here.  Grin

I’m only using you as an example on how incentivizing post motivates user to become a regular poster because some user is already trying to removed the freedom here in the forum by imposing their personal ideal forum while the forum itself doesn’t imposed that kind of rules all because of signature campaign.

And here you are defying all the rules and shit posting here because you’re goddamn @LoyceV.  Grin
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Re: Petition to remove signature display on Reputation and Scam Acc. CB
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Xiestar
on 05/05/2025, 23:39:26 UTC
OP is butt hurt, lol.

I don't know why you responders take him seriously, this is an alt account that has been busted in the Reputation section and this thread is because of it. When he argues in the section no one listens to him or goes against him and that is why he wants the signatures removed.

Good luck with that, lol.

You’re the only one assuming that I’m an alt, This signature campaign makes the discussion inorganic just like this one.

You’re already done receiving your another +1 instead of just moving on if you don’t like the topic. Instead you post that is not relevant to the subject and attack my account.

What’s the big deal on removing incentive on this board. If scam topic happened everyone is still free to participate. This will remove unnecessary post from signature motivated member and only those doing genuine job on investigation will participate.

Reputation and scam accusation already become a drama board while it should be use to tackle serious topic. For example why serious discussion doesn’t display signature? Why Bitcoin wall observer still very active despite no signature display?

If this proposal is accepted, we will see more neat thread that focus on dealing the problem instead of prolonging it with unnecessary replies from ez +1 poster.
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Petition to remove signature display on Reputation and Scam Acc. CB
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Xiestar
on 05/05/2025, 15:59:02 UTC
⭐ Merited by hugeblack (4)
This board should be use to tackle scam and reputation without the influence of the signature campaign.

Scam accusation board is full of complaints to casino that has active signature campaign while most the user defending it are wearing casino signature campaign that gives a bias impression to the OP.

Same with the reputation board. Investigators, volunteer scam buster and other drama are being paid with an easy +1 on their signature campaign post quota that typically prolongs the thread due to unnecessary butt in reply for the payment.

Those who will disagree on this petition can’t do post without payment.


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Re: Possible cheating in Betpanda campaign
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Xiestar
on 05/05/2025, 13:10:41 UTC
So, screw the cheaters. And screw the lazy ones.

Screw campaign manager that doesn’t accept you because you can post more?

Your logic is an ass licker employee because post quota is set to determine each post rate. Above post quota is already considered as overtime without pay. Why campaign manager needs to determine post quota if that’s not the ideal basis for the post count?

So if you are working 8hrs at job, you will extend up to 12hrs without pay because you are not lazy? Following the work guidelines is not a sign of laziness. You’re just a hypocrite.

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Re: Possible cheating in Betpanda campaign
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Xiestar
on 01/05/2025, 07:20:23 UTC

I would say the work isn't "fair". For every alt account someone enrolls in a campaign on the forum, the brainpower of their posts are reduced in half. So if someone enrolls 4 accounts, the IQ of each post is only around 25% of what it should be.


It comes back on why did campaign manager pay the post if the post quality is way below the standard.

Are you implying that campaign manager doesn’t check post quality before they initiate payout to participants?

What’s the difference for user having 2 accounts to user with 1 account that post equivalent post per day. For example LoyceV average post per day is 10 post, will his IQ will be lower if he distributes that post count to 2 account?

I’m only saying that if such low post is the main issue on multiple account, why does it receive payment.



I want to go back to my main battle cry about merit jerker that keeps successfully milking campaign on legal way just because they don’t have evidence of connection aside from blatant merit sharing.

I received butthurt neutral tag for pointing this out but why campaign manager consider merit count that received on topic that is not related on the brand they are promoting. I think post quality on the relevant board is should be the top priority instead of this merit count to deny this merit jerking farming.
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Re: Possible cheating in Betpanda campaign
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Xiestar
on 30/04/2025, 21:43:33 UTC
no difference in terms of work really, but it doesn't matter, it's still a scam/cheating as they are not allowed to enroll alts in the same campaign and literally every manager has this rule.
if it's not allowed, it's not allowed, no ifs or buts.


The scam occurs due to the greed of people who join many accounts in the same campaign. Campaign managers create rules for each campaign they publish. It is not without reason that campaign managers only allow one account per user to join. You cannot see such cases with the amount of work completed. This violates campaign rules, clearly cheating the manager, as well as other participants who also apply for the campaign.

There wouldn't really be an issue if the alt accounts joined other signature campaigns that allow alt accounts to join, but as you can see on LoyceV's post above, betpanda's signature campaign has a rule where alt accounts are not allowed to join the campaign. While there might not be a difference in their work, they still broke the signature campaign's rule, which is the issue that is being pointed out.

My point is there’s no scam happened. I defined scam as someone committed fraud that cause losses to others. The user only broke the rules of account limit but in terms of work done he did a fair work on his side to get the payment therefore he didn’t scam the project rather just broke some rules.

I consider it as scam if the user in question use AI tool or other dishonest work that is not worth it for a payment. If this user doesn’t caught alt account his work is considered as fine.



I still don’t understand until now why the 1 account per campaign is still a thing now while there’s a lot of local board that obviously committing merit jerking to each other as an easy ticket to join campaigns.

They are not caught because of lack of wallet connections but in terms of merit jerking it’s very obvious. High rank member is involved on this farming that results to more cautious newbie account on wallet connection but good on merit farming.

I see this as hey investigator pls caught cheater so that we can let in fresh blood of farmed merit jerker that create zero sense post on gambling board after farming merit on local merits jerker board and wo. We need more merit sauceee.

 *walter junior voice* Roll Eyes
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Re: Possible cheating in Betpanda campaign
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Xiestar
on 30/04/2025, 14:10:03 UTC

These kind of scammers need to be called out. In the end, it's the reputation of the campaign manager with his/her clients that is on the line. And that will also affect his/her signature campaign participants. That is not cool. Undecided

At what part of this issue scam happened? Even if they are alt account, They both finish post quota that equivalent to work done. There’s nothing lose here because all payment done was matched by required post.

Alt account is allowed to join on different campaigns. Even well known member has alt account that joins on different campaigns. If we are being honest here what’s the difference in terms of work done there?


I notice a lot of strange, let's say, similarities between various members in various sig campaigns, so I don't doubt at all that there are a lot of alt accounts that are milking the same campaigns, but you have to accept that this is reality - where money is involved, there isn't much honesty and honor. If someone wanted to be at least somewhat sure, they would have to do an in-depth analysis of all those who participate in their sig campaigns, but it requires time and expertise.
There’s a bigger problem on this that is still not being addressed. Merit farmer on local boards!

Some campaign manager already stop doing their job on checking post quality as top priority instead they are focusing on merit counts now despite it’s acquired on board that is not relevant to the campaign that they are promoting.

I will not be surprised if the high reputable member itself and some of this detective are the owners of those new account that easily rise on the rank due to merit circle jerking on local.

In the future, Forum users will be dominated by these alt accounts of merit jerker. Yeah keep ignoring this facts.
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Re: Suspicious behaviour [Mr. Magkaisa]
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Xiestar
on 16/03/2025, 12:37:53 UTC

I haven't checked the details of these accounts yet, but what I can see right now is that they all post on the same local board.

It looks like the Philippine local section is made up of two or three people Smiley who own a whole farm. If you have time, please sort out this tangle. For example, a first look at the kingvirtus09 account shows his alt benalexis12.


This is a bit racist. I saw many users from different board like Turkey, Indonesia and Nigeria that jerking merit to each other blatantly while they join together on campaign just because campaign manager choose participants based on merit count except when the account reputation is already reputable.

Why not focus all your detective instincts on user like this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5491383.0 that obviously farming hard signature campaign.


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Re: Does merit always the right basis to determine good poster?
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Xiestar
on 05/09/2024, 00:03:51 UTC
I don’t understand why the gang above are so defensive. I didn’t mention any name to avoid drama yet you guys keep changing topic on attacking my account instead of focusing the discussion on topic.

Is there anything wrong to what I say here? Or am I just feeding spammers to have +1 post for quota by attacking my account which is the easiest course.
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Does merit always the right basis to determine good poster?
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Xiestar
on 04/09/2024, 23:48:17 UTC
⭐ Merited by hugeblack (1) ,ABCbits (1)
Recently, I just saw a participants selection on signature campaign. I notice that the user got accepted out of many participants doesn’t seem so good when it comes to gambling board.

He just has a good amount of merit received on different board. With this case, is the total amount of merit received is the right choice? I knew the guy is not the one who has the highest amount of merit among all applicants but I’m sure his merit is one of the factor considered on his application since his post is not that good on gambling board.


I didn’t mention any name to avoid drama of throwing unnecessary feedback when my opinion gets under his/her skin. The discussion is purely for clarification on what’s happening in the forum.


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Re: Get 201 merits in 2 months from a farm
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Xiestar
on 04/04/2024, 01:39:25 UTC
@Hhampuz is always a victim of this merit circle jerk because he usually accept participants based on the number of earned merit counts alone.

This farmer buddies is having a sweet payday on Hhampuz arms. Not only from this locale but in general. Usual pattern is WO, All merit source thread and local merit thread. There’s a lot of this gang. Check this one https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=886039. Some user that gave him merit woke up just to send him a merit.

I don't know where you derive your conclusion from but I know is that Hhampuz is not just after high merits but also standard and other requirements necessary. I observe that it is a coincidence where users with high number of merits meet with his requirements and he's satisfied working with them. Take a look at his last slot filled https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5326641.msg63883831#msg63883831 that user was not the one with highest merits but he's picked. Don't make it sound as if Hhampuz is the reason for merit farming here. After checking the comments on your neutral tag, I know the reason why it was there.

There’s a lot of instances and you are one of this user that benefited on this merit circle jerking. You only sighted an exception but most of the time those high merits got accepted. You are one of those user that has a post on middle page yet you receive merit out of nowhere from your gang.

Also the posting pattern of “want something” on bitcoin discussion or beginners & help is your gang favorite post because merit source preferred this dramatic post.

I don't really think this would actually help because  majority of these merits were not distributed by merit source and so it doesn't really solve the problem.

Not distributed by merit source yet most of the smerit sender merit came from merit source by doing same post pattern. Most of this jerker is on Duelbits and Rollbit.