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Re: How does Cash App facilitate customer BTC payments?
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astaroth81
on 23/10/2024, 14:36:57 UTC
I have never work in centralized exchange, but my speculation is address on CEX isn't always belong to one user, when the coins belong to CEX, what you seen on the screen is off-chain version, not on-chain.

I believe that they have a rule like "we're not responsible if you sent the coins to wrong address" because deposit and withdrawal are different, you can't win here.

This depends on them, either they want to refund the money or not.

I get what you're saying and it seems like they would refund me but they're trying to say the address I literally just received my cash app withdrawal form was switched to another users account and my BTC was sent to them.

Does that even make sense? I get these addresses are switched and there's different addresses for withdrawals and deposits. But why would they reuse an address linked to my account for a withdrawal, to another users account for a deposit less than an hour later.

That doesn't add up to me.

I don't really get what is happening on the explorer either. The address mx shows 12 "main" tx. It shows it was sent $306 which was my BTC withdrawal. It shows it sent it to me then I sent it back. Then it shows some other tx in-between. Before sending my BTC somewhere else.

The address ending mx does not seem like it's tied directly to a users account. It seems to act like the middle man address where funds get sent before being sent elsewhere.

If that's the case my argument is valid as cash app was in possession of the funds last. As I didn't send the BTC directly to another users address, I sent it to the middle man BTC address.

Which then still doesn't add up because if I did that then how would my BTC be transferred to another user? Idk sorry for an the questions just trying to understand.
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How does Cash App facilitate customer BTC payments?
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astaroth81
on 23/10/2024, 13:12:39 UTC
On Aug 30 I made a stupid rookie mistake. 

In short, I sent BTC to a cash app wallet address they used for my BTC withdrawal from Cash App by mistake.

Due to the address no longer being tied to my Cash App account (which I don't get why exactly it wasn't since they claim they only change the address after you receive a BTC deposit mine changed right before?!) the BTC was not returned to my cash app account.

From my understanding, Cash App facilitates customer withdrawals by first sending user BTC to a Cash App hot wallet address before sending the BTC to the requested external wallet address indicated by the customer. Meaning that the BTC should have last been in the possession of cash app last. But upon finally receiving a reply from Cash App months later they told me something surprising that doesn't add up.

They claim that the wallet address that I sent the BTC to on accident was linked to another Cash App users Cash App account, and they are the ones who received my BTC. I thought that since the wallet was owned by Cash App the BTC went to Cash App and that they would be able to return an equal amount of BTC back to me but they are not trying to do so.

Cash app isn't the only one to facilitate tx like this. Exchanges do it too to reduce cost of fees and from what I've heard when a customer makes the same mistake I did, the exchange will return the funds to the customer.

My question is:

Could Cash App be right and could it be possible that the BTC address which is;

(bc1q8cfvewthndj7lapq6jku76x9zkzwhet3x98lmx)

That was used to send me my BTC withdrawal from Cash App only about 30 minutes before, been switched from being connected to my Cash App account, to being connected to another user's Cash App account instead?

To me this doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Not only is it a security risk it just doesn't add up why would they reuse a BTC wallet address that was just tied to a users account that quickly?

The address ending mx only has

I'm thinking they are just trying not to take responsibility for it even though it's only like $321, still a lot to someone who's broke thanks to crypto casinos.

But if anyone can please help me out with this I'd really appreciate it.



 

 
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Re: Did BC Change the Algo???
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astaroth81
on 16/07/2023, 10:09:51 UTC
The same casino script is being used on other webistes such as nanogames.

It once was available to buy, same as with the Stake/Primedice casino script.

I don't think they are able to change the outcome since you can verify each round for yourself and set your own custom seed.
I don't think script is what op is talking about, op is talking about the algorithm of of a game namely, coin flip..  Except there be something I am not understanding clearly..

Game algo is not the same as the script the casino built on, and even at that I believe script can still be updated by any casino if they deem it fit, this could be to make the casino look a bit unique from other casinos using that same script..

Algo clearly differs, which is why we see different casinos offering or showing different RTP for the same game.

It's interesting you bring that up. I've noticed BC has the same no limit slots as most others with the same RTP but the recent win leader board is different on each one than other casinos. It's kind of odd. Bitcasino, I would think is the largest most well known casino, has the same no limit slots as most other places I've checked (rollbit, metaspins, luckyblock) but BC has different ones. RTP is said to be the same though I just find it weird.

I'm still new to gambling and I'm trying to learn more about how casinos work and the inner mechanics of things. I just don't understand how I was able to make over 15K on coin flip in a few days and now I can't come up a single dollar on the same game using the same strategy etc. I've played thousands of rounds on the game and know it is definitely acting much differently than it was before.

There was a distinguishable pattern that was present and now it's completely gone. Not only that, I swear the game is somehow being manipulated because it will continue to land heads or tails consistently in a row until I choose the opposite side then it immediately switches to the other side and starts to do the same thing. Then when I bet on the other side it switches back. Hard to explain..

I've noticed that when BTC is is green and everything is going up the games tend to be a lot easier at that casino. Crash for example will go on great runs and hit high multis a lot more than usual. So there must be a way that they can at least increase the difficulty of the games.

They have a special NFT there at BC that you can win on their "lucky spins" (which they advertise that you can win up to 5 BTC on but no one ever does because its 100% rigged and based on wager) called mDegenPass NFT. You can wager the mDegenPass and accumulate 1000 of them then mint a DegenPass NFT. I was shown an article stating that holding one in your BC wallet will increase your edge against the house. So while everyone else is playing games that are 96% edge you will play at 98%. I can't find that article again, it was shown to me by support months ago. But that alone clearly shows that they can manipulate the edge and difficulty of the games and subsequently the outcome. 

Which I mean sounds reasonable. You have someone who won 15K on a game in a few days, you increase the difficulty of the game to prevent further losses. BTC is red the future of crypto uncertain, you increase the house edge so you can retain liquidity. I guess that's fair?
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Re: Did BC Change the Algo???
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astaroth81
on 06/07/2023, 02:18:18 UTC
"BC.game has not been publicly audited by an independent organization. However, the casino does have a provably fair algorithm, which means that the games are mathematically impossible to cheat. The casino also claims to have been audited by an internal auditor, but the results of this audit have not been made public."
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Re: Did BC Change the Algo???
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astaroth81
on 05/07/2023, 18:32:14 UTC
I'm trying to learn more about the change they made regarding the salted hash. Is it true that because a client seed is not used for crash that the salt value which is controlled solely by the casino, can be adjusted by the casino to control the outcome of the game?

They could also use a biased RNG. Has the RNG they use ever been audited? Sorry I'm just thinking out loud.

Could this control of the salt value be how they are able to control the range of numbers selected to ensure that crash doesn't end up going to 10,000+ several times in a row and instead stays low between 1-3 generally?
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Re: EDITED: won cash x drop but no prize??
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astaroth81
on 05/07/2023, 18:22:00 UTC
I don't believe the OP is accusing the casino; he was simply asking a question. That might be the reason why he didn't mention the name of the casino. So, I don't understand why some users interpreted it as a scam accusation.

OP, I suggest you directly ask the casino support for the contact information of the provider. Alternatively, if you manage to find the provider's contact details, that would be helpful for you. However, asking the casino support directly will be more convenient. Additionally, since the casino is featuring such an event, they should have the contact information of their partner, shouldn't they?
Won this a few weeks ago and haven't received anything. I tried to contact support from the casino I won it at but they don't reply. My VIP host said to contact the game provider but they too didn't reply, not even on twitter.

Anyone know how these contests work? Like shouldn't they just airdrop whatever into the wallet that played the game which won the prize? I shouldn't have to do anything right?
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Hi thank you for clarifying my intention was not to accuse just find someone who was familar with the contest and how to redeem the prize.

It took about 4 tries but I finally got hold of a helpful support member who suggested I talk to the event host which I still don't know who that is but it led me to someone who I think might be the owner and they have been super helpful and I think have contacted the event host so now we're just waiting to hear back from them.

Thanks again
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Re: EDITED: won cash x drop but no prize??
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astaroth81
on 05/07/2023, 14:59:05 UTC
UPDATE:

Sypoort staff member Eila who is the best support told me to context host provider of the event and told me to view the forum which led me to BC_Panda and so I mesaged them on telegram.

Panda gave me all the info I needed and has been very kind and helpful with fast respond. We both checked my UID to see if it was listed as winner but it was not. 

Doesn't make sense why to be shown message saying I won if I did not. Maybe error or glitch.

Panda said they contact event host and waiting on respond.

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Re: Did BC Change the Algo???
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astaroth81
on 05/07/2023, 09:12:48 UTC
Even if you are saying the truth about BC.game. It’s very hard to prove that by using only the statistics of the result since coin flip is pure random games. I’m not a player of BC.game but this is same scenario with slot games with close source code. It’s very hard to prove if the game is rigged and the only thing we are relying is just the reputation of the casino.

Can you provide proof for the change of algo?
From what op said, I don't think there should be a form of prove except we try out the games ourselves, but op i hate it when people come out to speak ill of others businesses especially  in an open space like this which you know isn't right at all.
I haven't used BC games but I've known them on the forum to be cool  and I want to know if you ever tried contacting  them and I wouldn't have to blame them if there are cases that seem like this because I'm sure they know it will be a bad reputation  for them as a company  if players always complain of losses and if coin flip which is a random game has such issue, what they would simply  do is contact the game provider and that should do the trick.
But there is one thing I've also noticed in gambling,  when the losses are getting much, gamblers begin to feel cheated and I hope that's not the case with op.

Of course I have I made several comments on the game itself where they allow reviews of the game to be posted and you know what? My comments were removed mostly one comment was kept but most were removed and I was disabled from commenting further after a mod replied to me and gave me the whole talk about gambling being risky etc when that was completely irrelevant to what I was saying. If they truly had nothing to hide then why remove my comments and other people's comments too who have pointed out that the game's game play has changed recently and it seems to be very rigged now??

Why would the mod reply to my comment then disable me from commenting so I can not reply back? That is some shady tactics. Yes I might have used bad language in some comments but not in all I just mainly tried to point out and explain how the coin seems to be manipulated somehow that is really it. Other comments were more vulgar I think saying "fuck bc" etc. but some others were also saying "this is rigged" and stuff.

I also have made comments about it in chat.


I contacted my VIP host who after I lost over 15K on this game due to this issue gave me a total of about $90 lossback.

I also messaged support many times trying to ask them if the algo was ever changed for this game or any other game and finally one did respond the other day and said no changed were ever made which isn't true because for crash the hash was changed in April.

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Re: won cash x drop but no prize??
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astaroth81
on 05/07/2023, 08:13:24 UTC
It is the same concern I also stated in my previous comment, but i sense that maybe op is not good with English and as a result, lack the proper English words to really express himself by explaining the situation in full details, but then, what ever be his or her reason for an incomplete complaint, the fact like you said, remains that there is no way we could help as a community, and for the fact he didn't even mention the casino or platform that organized the said competition or contest is another barrier altogether..

Anyways, let's hope he comes back with more detailed report of the his situation.
Apart from the complaint statement given by the OP which is not very clear, I actually have doubts and also a little distrust of the OP's complaint.
Maybe the OP gave an incomplete statement and also he couldn't include the name of the casino that organized the competition as you said so that makes us all have doubts.
Actually in this forum there are many examples of complaints that OP can emulate, namely providing all the clarifications and also other facts but never mind why should we think too much about things that have not been proven to be certain.

Sorry I edited my orignial post now let me know if you need more info I don't really have much more though. I never asked to win this damn contest or wanted to win they the ones who gave it to me just such a headache really upset at this casino now days.
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Re: won cash x drop but no prize??
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astaroth81
on 05/07/2023, 08:10:42 UTC
OP your complaints has no basis. No proof, you did not mention the type of game you played, you did not mention the casino if possibly it is one and also, here is not the right place to lay complaints as this is possibly has to do with the reputation of the casino you played the game and won. You can put up a complaints here
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=129.0. I think this would serve you better.

I didn't mean to be making a complaint I simply was trying to get more info on the contest I thought it would be a well known contest someone maybe won at too could tell me how they claimed the prize but I added more details now and an image so hope that will help. BC support has finally offered some useful info. The only good support agent there is Eila. She said to contact event host but didn't tell me their name or contact info yet.
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Re: Did BC Change the Algo???
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astaroth81
on 05/07/2023, 06:29:00 UTC
The casinos does not change the algorithm of the games, they just increase or decrease the RTP (Return to Player) for the games. So if the split was 96% to the player and 4% to the house.... then they just change it to $93 to the player and 7% to the house.

It might also be that for 3rd party games, that they might alter the variance of the games, which is one of the other factors that are used to determine the outcome of the bets. (Slots)

The bets are still Provably Fair, because the Client Seed / Server Seed and RNG has not changed.  Wink

Sometimes I feel like they have a switch that makes the games harder or easier.  I've noticed when BTC is in an uptrend, the games generally are easier and payout much more but when in downtrend it's the opposite. A

Also for crash, it's clear that they must have control maybe not over the exact outcome but in the range of where that number will land.  Crash can hit any multiplier from 1 to 40,000x (highest I've ever seen) and yet it mostly hits between 1-3x. If it was truly random I think it would hit a wider range of numbers and not be so limited to one area over the next.

Have you read about their degenpass? Supposedly their degenpass nft if held in a bc wallet will increase a players edge against the house to 98%. So that too is another clue that they definitely have a way of manipulating the RTP like you say. 
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Re: won cash x drop but no prize??
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astaroth81
on 05/07/2023, 05:03:32 UTC
Anyone know how these contests work? Like shouldn't they just airdrop whatever into the wallet that played the game which won the prize? I shouldn't have to do anything right?

There is usually some process involved, which can vary depending on the specific contest and platform. Typically, after winning a contest, you may need to follow certain steps to claim your prize. Have you checked the contest rules or terms and conditions? Sometimes, the information regarding prize distribution or claiming process can be found there. By the way, which particular contest are you referring to?


It's called Cash-X and is on the bc.game platform right now and has been going on for the past few months at least. I've read the terms and it's not very clear as to when or how the prizes will be distributed.

Here's what is shown on the bc.co website:

Participating Games
All NoLimitCity slots (excluding RNG table games)


Promotion Schedule
1st Week: 1st June, 00:00 AM - 7th June, 23:59 PM (Cash Drop, Prizes announced on 9th June at 16:00 PM, 4,400 prizes totalling €25,000)
2nd Week: 8th June, 00:00 AM - 14th June, 23:59 PM (Tournament, Prizes announced on 16th June at 16:00 PM, 2,975 prizes totalling €25,575)
3rd Week: 15th June, 00:00 AM - 21st June, 23:59 PM (Cash Drop, Prizes announced on 23rd June at 16:00 PM, 4,400 prizes totalling €25,000)
4th Week: 22nd June, 00:00 AM - 28th June, 23:59 PM (Tournament, Prizes announced on 30th June at 16:00 PM, 2,975 prizes totalling €25,575)

Cash Drop Details
The cash drop winners are based on the players who wager on any NoLimitCity slots during the cash drop periods. There are two cash drop periods during the promotion.


Tournament Details
The tournament winners are based on the players with the highest total wager amount. There are two tournaments during the promotion period.


Terms and Conditions
Winners will be announced within 3 working days following each promotion period at 16:00 PM (GMT+8).
Players who have already qualified can still be eligible for prizes in the next period.
Evolution and BC.GAME reserve the right to amend, suspend or cancel the promotion at any time without prior notice.
The cash prizes will be credited as withdrawable funds by BC.GAME after each promotion period ends.
BC.GAME reserves the right to void scores or withhold prizes for reasons such as apparent errors, technical faults, cheating or collusion with other players.

It doesn't say where the winners will be announced exactly and it doesn't say that the winners need to claim the prize or anything. Also, this makes it sound like BC is solely responsible for this contest so idk why when I asked my VIP host she said the contest is third party to contact them. I won this prize on the 15th of June so it would have been announced on the 23rd but I never saw any announcement so I guess maybe it's all bullshit from the casino which makes sense since this casino has really gone to shit now. 
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Re: Did BC Change the Algo???
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astaroth81
on 05/07/2023, 04:55:28 UTC
It's been a very long time, like about 5 to 6 months now since I last played on bc games, and I also do not have any plans of playing there anytime soon, but then, I understand that one thing that is constant is change..

They probably might have done some upgrades that for sure, casinos do that frequently mostly to make sure they keep their system and games running smoothly and safe from vulnerabilities, but the if like you(the op) claim that the game algo has been altered, there is no way for us to verify this claim either it be true of false, all I can say which I think is fair enough is that, if you are no longer comfortable playing on bc games, nothing stops you from try another casino rather than complaining.

I have tried many other casinos and BC is the one I liked the best. It has the nicest, smoothest UI with decent bonuses etc. so it's a major bummer that they did this and I really just don't get it as long term I can't imagine it will be as profitable for them in the long term.
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Re: lucky block casino locked my account for no reason demanding kyc funds lost
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astaroth81
on 04/07/2023, 00:59:32 UTC
Sorry guys I should have given an update on this issue. LB did send me my remaining balance and everything turned out okay. LB support is really nice and caring, they are a legit casino that can be trusted for sure even though their LB token got dumped.
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Re: won cash x drop but no prize??
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astaroth81
on 04/07/2023, 00:49:38 UTC
Won this a few weeks ago and haven't received anything. I tried to contact support from the casino I won it at but they don't reply. My VIP host said to contact the game provider but they too didn't reply, not even on twitter.

Anyone know how these contests work? Like shouldn't they just airdrop whatever into the wallet that played the game which won the prize? I shouldn't have to do anything right?

Kind of odd how they promote these competitions so much then when someone wins something they don't even get anything and no one is willing to help them...


Alot of questions in my mind and I don't even know where to begin from.

What platform are you talking about?, sorry if someone else have asked earlier and you have answered, I am just seeing this thread and I've not read some of the previous comments...

You who played on this platform should already know they are legit or not, if you know that they are legit, based on previous games and contests, you should probably keep reaching out to their customer support team and be patient, but if they have no track record of being competent, I will probably assume they are scammers and ask you to move on with your life, but before considering all this, make sure to read the rules and regulations of the contest and make sure you won indeed.

I was playing on bc.co and I never said that they aren't legit and I don't think they are scamming me. I just thought it was kinda funny how they put so much effort into promoting these contests then when someone wins its like no one cares.
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Re: won cash x drop but no prize??
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astaroth81
on 04/07/2023, 00:40:25 UTC
Are you sure OP that you are visiting the right site? Because many claims that some people are using known sites and running such promotions but in the end, they'll get nothing. Their intention is to ruin the reputation of that known gambling site. I'm doubted that was legit promotion because they will respond to you if that is true but since they are silent and have no response, absolutely would think similar to what I think. However, it needs proof otherwise, it was a false claim...

Yes I am sure it was the right site but good heads up to be aware of these scams. Thanks for your message.
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Re: won cash x drop but no prize??
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astaroth81
on 04/07/2023, 00:33:00 UTC

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Don't drop any information about your concerns or it might be used by another player. If the way they can transfer the reward is through crypto transactions, then it might be in any means like airdrop or direct transactions. Maybe you could try to recheck you're submitted address and network. If there is no fault on your part, then it is truly in the casino's.

I am not sure since there's not enough information but maybe your reward was just delayed or maybe you're right that you've been scammed from that competition. With that issue, sometimes they have a discord or website where you can submit a ticket along with your supporting documents and proofs. Regardless, be that experience as a lesson to you that not all competitions were true to their words.
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Recheck my submitted address? I never submitted anything. A message saying "Cash X congratulations you won come to check more" popped up on screen and when I clicked on "come to check more" it took me to the providers website but it was in some type of Asian language I couldn't understand it. I did translate it and still didn't see it asking for any info to be submitted and figured any prize would be sent to the wallet where the winning bet was taken from.
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Re: won cash x drop but no prize??
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on 04/07/2023, 00:25:44 UTC
Do you have proofs? 'coz if your intention is to catch the attention of the ones who organized and started this event, it would be helpful. However, ofcourse it would be better to first try contacting the providers of the contest. And as you have mentioned, you already did. Try a couple of times and if they won't be responsive then they would be subject for scam label. Unfortunately, I am not familiar with this contest. One thing is for sure, if they won't be sending rewards to eligible participants, then that is already an answer. But be sure as well to get things straight specially with the rules and instructions 'coz you might as well have a mistake.


What I have for proof only is a screenshot of the message stating "Cash X Congratulations you won come to check more." It had a link that I went to but I didn't know what to do from there. It just seemed to show the provider and contest but didn't ask me for any info or anything to my knowledge. I know they can't be a scam because the provider is Evolution and they are the best in the business in my opinion. Thanks for your input I will try and contact them again!
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Re: Did BC Change the Algo???
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astaroth81
on 03/07/2023, 17:15:20 UTC
Even if you are saying the truth about BC.game. It’s very hard to prove that by using only the statistics of the result since coin flip is pure random games. I’m not a player of BC.game but this is same scenario with slot games with close source code. It’s very hard to prove if the game is rigged and the only thing we are relying is just the reputation of the casino.

Can you provide proof for the change of algo?

Change of algo could be a change in the pattern in a way the game has been played before. Sometimes those games being rigged especially on online casinos come in many ways such as interrupting ads, glitching on screens, intentional lagging interface, and automatic reloading of the link. IN this way pattern changed in the game. Or it may feel like the game is forcing you to lose money and continuously go against your initial bet.

I think if you're playing a game that you believed is rigged, you won't enjoy it. So why bother playing it. The same remains with the other games that rely on the probability which remains uncertain on individual bets but only in a large sample size.

It had always been my top 3 favorite games that I can go to when I am down to help recover losses and now I don't even have that anymore so it's just ruined that whole casino completely and I'm very upset because I really liked BC and don't understand why they would do this especially at a time when the market was heading upwards and everyone has increased profits. Doesn't make any sense.
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won cash x drop but no prize??
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astaroth81
on 02/07/2023, 17:30:41 UTC
Won this a few weeks ago and haven't received anything. I tried to contact support from the casino I won it at but they don't reply. My VIP host said to contact the game provider but they too didn't reply, not even on twitter.

Anyone know how these contests work? Like shouldn't they just airdrop whatever into the wallet that played the game which won the prize? I shouldn't have to do anything right?

Kind of odd how they promote these competitions so much then when someone wins something they don't even get anything and no one is willing to help them...