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Re: LoyceV's Topic Details: highlight deleted and edited posts (forum wide)
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Thank you! Precisely what I was looking for.
Now I will go after the mystery of why the topic was deleted. I just hope this is not a standard practice around.
Re: LoyceV's Topic Details: highlight deleted and edited posts (forum wide)
Great tool, and I'm trying to utilize it.
It seems my last topic is deleted. But as I don't have PM or other messages, I don't know the topic ID.
Is there a way to check it?
Thank you
It seems my last topic is deleted. But as I don't have PM or other messages, I don't know the topic ID.
Is there a way to check it?
Thank you
Re: [Opinion Needed] What do you want to see in a gambling site review? || 2
Thank you all for your opinions.
I updated the list.
I understand that not every person wants to read a 10-page review, so the reviews will be structured
- Short intro with the main points:
- Pros & Cons
- Is it provably fair for real? Yes/No (Issues?)
- How easy could you check the provably fair function? Easy, Moderate, Hard (Issues?)
- Supported coins
- Offered games
And then continue with a detailed review for anybody who wants more and clear information on all the topics, based on the real playing experience—trying to be as much objective as possible, staying unbiased.
After playing for a while:
- Bonuses & promotions: terms, max. winnings with bonus money, do they offer rakeback, tournaments, chat & community events, wagering competitions, etc.
- User Interface and what experience it's offering
- Min & Max bets
- House edge (bookie margin, etc)
- Offered games in details
- Supported coins in details
- Provably Fair system - how does it work, is it really provably fair and how to check your bets
- TOS - Is there something sneaky. Do they require KYC?
- Deposits & Withdraws - limits, how easy and how fast they are, etc.
- Site support & security - How quickly do they answer queries, do they offer 2FA, emergency withdrawing address, etc.
- Scam accusations - is there any (open) and mark the site.
- Investment options, if any
- Licence
With screenshots of the interesting points.
Thank you again. I appreciate it.
I updated the list.
I understand that not every person wants to read a 10-page review, so the reviews will be structured
- Short intro with the main points:
- Pros & Cons
- Is it provably fair for real? Yes/No (Issues?)
- How easy could you check the provably fair function? Easy, Moderate, Hard (Issues?)
- Supported coins
- Offered games
And then continue with a detailed review for anybody who wants more and clear information on all the topics, based on the real playing experience—trying to be as much objective as possible, staying unbiased.
After playing for a while:
- Bonuses & promotions: terms, max. winnings with bonus money, do they offer rakeback, tournaments, chat & community events, wagering competitions, etc.
- User Interface and what experience it's offering
- Min & Max bets
- House edge (bookie margin, etc)
- Offered games in details
- Supported coins in details
- Provably Fair system - how does it work, is it really provably fair and how to check your bets
- TOS - Is there something sneaky. Do they require KYC?
- Deposits & Withdraws - limits, how easy and how fast they are, etc.
- Site support & security - How quickly do they answer queries, do they offer 2FA, emergency withdrawing address, etc.
- Scam accusations - is there any (open) and mark the site.
- Investment options, if any
- Licence
With screenshots of the interesting points.
Thank you again. I appreciate it.
Re: The Art of Exploiting vs the Bad Habit of Scamming
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Another scenario, which would only work in smaller markets/sports though:
You have a flagged and heavily limited account in a bookmaker. Early odds come out, player A vs player B, 1.80 - 2.00. You want to bet on player B, but with higher odds. So with your flagged account you bet on player A multiple times max stake (because of the limit, you can't stake a lot though). Odds move of course, and are maybe 1.60 - 2.40 then. That is when a friend of you with unflagged/unlimited account places max bet on that 2.40.
Into what kind of category would that fall ? Exploit ? Scam ? Market manipulation ?
Another scenario, which would only work in smaller markets/sports though:
You have a flagged and heavily limited account in a bookmaker. Early odds come out, player A vs player B, 1.80 - 2.00. You want to bet on player B, but with higher odds. So with your flagged account you bet on player A multiple times max stake (because of the limit, you can't stake a lot though). Odds move of course, and are maybe 1.60 - 2.40 then. That is when a friend of you with unflagged/unlimited account places max bet on that 2.40.
Into what kind of category would that fall ? Exploit ? Scam ? Market manipulation ?
Bookies are not balancing their books like that.
E.g., You cannot move the odds so easily, especially with a limited account and small bets.
BTW most of the flagged and heavily limited accounts have limits of 1$/€, max 5$/€.
If you want to pick a tendency, you could try NBA/NHL games where odds are usually moving in one direction for hours and green it in an exchange.
IF you want to watch a roller coaster - check the horses
Re: [Opinion Needed] What do you want to see in a gambling site review? || 2
I initially thought that you are going to build a gambling review website? No?
Anyhow, you have taken down notes already and I would agree that it is good gauge for a gambling review sites. And those structures will come in handy if ever you build the website and please let the gamblers know so that we can give you constructive criticism.
Anyhow, you have taken down notes already and I would agree that it is good gauge for a gambling review sites. And those structures will come in handy if ever you build the website and please let the gamblers know so that we can give you constructive criticism.
Yep, I will build a gambling review site.
And I want to build it based on what people want to have in it.
Re: [Opinion Needed] What do you want to see in a gambling site review?
Thank you all for your opinions.
Based on that, I've built the following structure, published here:
[Opinion Needed] What do you want to see in a gambling site review? || 2
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5261890
I really appreciate your help and I will be happy if you add more to the structure in the new topic.
Thank you
P.S. Locking this topic.
Based on that, I've built the following structure, published here:
[Opinion Needed] What do you want to see in a gambling site review? || 2
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5261890
I really appreciate your help and I will be happy if you add more to the structure in the new topic.
Thank you
P.S. Locking this topic.
[Opinion Needed] What do you want to see in a gambling site review? || 2
Thanks to the opinions here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5261708.0
I've built the following structure:
Short (head):
Main Pros & Cons
Is it provably fair for real?
Supported coins
Offered games
Then the full review, based on the real playing experience. Trying to be as much objective as possible, staying unbiased.
After playing for a while:
- Bonuses & promotions: terms, do they offer rakeback, tournaments, chat & community events, wagering competitions, etc.
- User Interface and what experience it's offering
- Offered games in details
- Supported coins in details
- Provably Fair system - how does it work, is it really provably fair and how to check your bets
- TOS: Is something sneaky there. Do they require KYC?
- Deposits & Withdraws - limits, how easy and how fast they are, etc.
- Site support & security: How quickly do they answer queries, do they offer 2FA, emergency withdrawing address, etc.
- Checking for open Scam accusations and mark the sites.
With screenshots of the interesting points.
What else would you add to this?
These were the OP questions:
What do you want to see in a gambling site review?
I want to understand what people want to read about, besides the standard pros & cons list, supported currencies, etc.
What will you find truly useful in such a review?
Thank you
I've built the following structure:
Short (head):
Main Pros & Cons
Is it provably fair for real?
Supported coins
Offered games
Then the full review, based on the real playing experience. Trying to be as much objective as possible, staying unbiased.
After playing for a while:
- Bonuses & promotions: terms, do they offer rakeback, tournaments, chat & community events, wagering competitions, etc.
- User Interface and what experience it's offering
- Offered games in details
- Supported coins in details
- Provably Fair system - how does it work, is it really provably fair and how to check your bets
- TOS: Is something sneaky there. Do they require KYC?
- Deposits & Withdraws - limits, how easy and how fast they are, etc.
- Site support & security: How quickly do they answer queries, do they offer 2FA, emergency withdrawing address, etc.
- Checking for open Scam accusations and mark the sites.
With screenshots of the interesting points.
What else would you add to this?
These were the OP questions:
What do you want to see in a gambling site review?
I want to understand what people want to read about, besides the standard pros & cons list, supported currencies, etc.
What will you find truly useful in such a review?
Thank you
Re: The Art of Exploiting vs the Bad Habit of Scamming
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2) By accident you discover that a bookmaker allows to parlay 1X2 and Asian Handicap market, which is of course a software issue. So you could parlay home win with AHC -0.5 for all kind of matches, which will give you good value odds. Is it ok to parlay these two dependant bets ?
I would take it.
I'm betting on an outcome on the odds given by the bookie.
I am surprised by this answer, since I find this at the very least immoral. The difference between 2) and 3) is not that big on paper imo, and for 3) you clearly say "scam". You said:
If the conditions are set in my favor due misknowledge or else, it's not my problem.
....but if you can parlay 1X2 and AHC, I don't think you can assume "misknowledge or else" and thus it must be software issue (by human error, i.e. this being allowed to be parley'd). If it's really misknowledge, then that bookie should look for new personnel maybe
Probably this is a bit apples and oranges with slots/betting though (?). Or I am not familiar enough with slots.This is the borderline I can accept. As a user, I'm betting on whatever they are giving me to. I'm not altering anything.
Nothing scammy as the 'reseting' of the session of the slot topic. The situation there is a pure scam, intentionally altering the site's environment using a bug.
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1) Lets start with a simple example, a football match, which is offered by every bookmaker you can imagine. There is breaking news, that team A will miss a lot of their players due to a flu. Odds are dropping like crazy in all bookmakers, but there is one bookmaker that is slow and has bad software. While all bookmakers only offer 1.40-ish for team B anymore, that bookmaker still has the initial 2.00 for them. Is it ok to bet on this 2.00 ? What if a bookmaker is constantly slow with adjusting odds and you could regularly do it ? Not for 2.00 -> 1.40, but maybe 2.00 -> 1.80.
No. I will skip.
It's borderline. Bookie being slow is not my fault. Yet, the bookie will then cancel the bet anyway.
If a bookie cancels a 2.00, when it's 1.80-ish everywhere else after a drop, then it's the bookie scamming imo. As you say, it's their fault and they should just take it on the chin and try to improve. I had information advantage and they can't punish me for that.
Even the 2.00 (that goes down to 1.40 in other places), I wouldn't expect to get cancelled, unless you put huge amounts on it. Did you experience these bets getting cancelled regularly ?
Many years ago. I can't even remember the odds providers names.
I guess you are aware that almost all of the bookies are using one of the few odds providers on the market.
Back then, a particular provider was significantly slower (5+ minutes) than the rest and all bookies using it was 'going behind' the odds movements - ups or downs. Soon after many people started exploiting this, the bookies changed their TOS and started cancelling bets.
[Opinion Needed] What do you want to see in a gambling site review?
Hi there,
What do you want to see in a gambling site review?
I want to understand what people want to read about, besides the standard pros & cons list, supported currencies, etc.
What will you find truly useful in such a review?
Thank you
What do you want to see in a gambling site review?
I want to understand what people want to read about, besides the standard pros & cons list, supported currencies, etc.
What will you find truly useful in such a review?
Thank you
Re: The Art of Exploiting vs the Bad Habit of Scamming
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1) Lets start with a simple example, a football match, which is offered by every bookmaker you can imagine. There is breaking news, that team A will miss a lot of their players due to a flu. Odds are dropping like crazy in all bookmakers, but there is one bookmaker that is slow and has bad software. While all bookmakers only offer 1.40-ish for team B anymore, that bookmaker still has the initial 2.00 for them. Is it ok to bet on this 2.00 ? What if a bookmaker is constantly slow with adjusting odds and you could regularly do it ? Not for 2.00 -> 1.40, but maybe 2.00 -> 1.80.
No. I will skip.
It's borderline. Bookie being slow is not my fault. Yet, the bookie will then cancel the bet anyway.
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2) By accident you discover that a bookmaker allows to parlay 1X2 and Asian Handicap market, which is of course a software issue. So you could parlay home win with AHC -0.5 for all kind of matches, which will give you good value odds. Is it ok to parlay these two dependant bets ?
I would take it.
I'm betting on an outcome on the odds given by the bookie.
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3) This is the quote from user LAngel from that thread above (can't quote properly, because thread is locked)
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there was a cheat where if you activate bonus bet, and spin until you get the 5-hit fish bonus, and immediately restart the game before stopping the symbol selector whee, your session will continue as if you had the bonus bet on (extra bonus chance) but not have to pay double for spins anymore that entire session.
Is it ok to take advantage of this software issue in general ? For $20 ? For $500k ? (Leave aside the fact, that LAngel played with "cheated" money).[/quote]
I love exploiting everything 'within the conditions'.
If the conditions are set in my favor due misknowledge or else, it's not my problem.
Here we are talking about crossing the line and doing a pure scam.
I will pass 100%.
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4) Lets say I have a trading bot (in betting or crypto exchange) and this bot goes wild due to misprogramming and I lose loads of money. Are all these users filling my orders scammers, when it's obvious that these prices are wrong ?
I'm using bots (self-coded) for 90%+ of my bets and trading.
I have been on both sides - losing 3x10ETH in a matter of minutes because of my coding errors and placing orders on obsolete contracts, through many other errors, to bot explicitly made to catch errors in the market.
Nope, they are not scammers.
The market is not there to guard you. The market is there for opportunities - on both sides.
If X doesn't fill it, Y will - the (self-regulated) market is never forgiving in these situations. Both X or Y could be just better-programmed bots, not people trying to 'steal' from you.
The only way to show that a betting system is profitable is to have 1000+ bets with FLAT stakes and to be with a positive balance.
I don't think it has to be flat stakes. Every reasonable staking system is fine - don't forget that you lose some value by going with flat stakes all the time. If a system is going +/-0 with flat stakes, you can choose to fine-tune your staking and not go flat anymore and might be in profit with the same system (or sit at a loss, if your staking is bad).
Why do you think it HAS to be flat stakes ?
I meant flat as 1/10 to 10/10.
But I cannot accept any Martingale or any other progressive(multiplier) staking as valid staking for long-term profitability.
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The only problem is that the staking plan that works so far is Martingale
Indeed it's a problem.
Sooner or later, you will go busto with Martingale.
The only way to show that a betting system is profitable is to have 1000+ bets with FLAT stakes and to be with a positive balance.
Everything else is gambling.
Re: Do you think eSport gambling will become more popular than normal Sport betting?
Do you think in the future people will bet more on eSport than actual Sport events? Let's discuss.
Nope (in terms of volume).
It could get close, but not more popular.
Every single football game from the main leagues and horse race is with ~1m turnover per market just in Betfair. Smarkets numbers are close too. When you add the bookies like bet365, Pinnacle and so on, the amounts are astonishing.
Re: [EDUCATIONAL] The Business Model of White Label Betfair Exchanges & More
Seems https://orbitexch.com are geo-blocking too
Yes, could be, not for me though
But you have to go via an agent anyway to open an account and most of them accept all customers (some restrict US customers). If the WLE's would restrict the same countries as Betfair does, then it would make no sense to have them. Thats the whole point of these WLE imo and why they are allowed to use "powered by Betfair". Betfair is too regulated to accept these customers, but with this little trick, lots of players can come back through the back door and keep the markets liquid and guarantee volume. It's the same for Pinnacle, SBO etc. The legal risk is passed on to the agents and Betfair & Co can just say and prove, that they don't accept customers from certain countries.You would have to use VPN then to access Orbit.
BTW did you notice the 'new' BF promo? Where you can choose to NOT get 'bonuses' in exchange to only 2% fee?
No, I am rarely following their news nowadays
I can't switch as much as I want.
I don't have that luxury as I'm using my own bots to automate 99% of my trading in BF.
Like these: https://i.imgur.com/11MNhy8.png
If you see someday a WLE with API, ping me
(If I didn't spot it first)Re: [EDUCATIONAL] The Business Model of White Label Betfair Exchanges & More
Does these white label sites support some APIs like BDP Stream API?
Could you send me some URLs to check them? As I'm working on crypto reviews right now and this is an interesting option/alternative.
Could you send me some URLs to check them? As I'm working on crypto reviews right now and this is an interesting option/alternative.
Hi there
No, as far as I am aware these exchanges have no public API at all. I used to do everything with GeeksToy at Betfair and I am dearly missing this option with the WLE's. You can check out yourself: https://orbitexch.com
Seems https://orbitexch.com are geo-blocking too
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BTW did you notice the 'new' BF promo? Where you can choose to NOT get 'bonuses' in exchange to only 2% fee?
could anyone point me to an URL where I can see the allowed countries for betfair right now? I searched and even talked to betfair but they did not provide the info. Betfair says changes for allowed countries are quite often so I would need to try to register to find out if my country is accepted. This was not a satisfying answer as I maybe would move to an allowed country.
cheers
cheers
Check these:
https://www.betfair.com/aboutUs/Regulatory.Information/
https://www.cheekypunter.com/faq/betfair-country-restrictions/
and keep in mind that the restriction list is not full. For example, the United States is missing in the list but it's blocked.
Re: [EDUCATIONAL] The Business Model of White Label Betfair Exchanges & More
@tyKiwanuka
I'm betting on BF from more than 12 years.
Currently, mostly through my own bots.
Does these white label sites support some APIs like BDP Stream API?
Could you send me some URLs to check them? As I'm working on crypto reviews right now and this is an interesting option/alternative.
Thank you
Kire
I'm betting on BF from more than 12 years.
Currently, mostly through my own bots.
Does these white label sites support some APIs like BDP Stream API?
Could you send me some URLs to check them? As I'm working on crypto reviews right now and this is an interesting option/alternative.
Thank you
Kire
Re: A Poker Odds Calculator is a Perfect Tool for Poker?
@DoublerHunter, if you just start playing, you may find it useful.
But after playing a few thousand hands, you will know the odds without even think of. And in most cases, you need to know approximates. E.g. AK vs AQ ~75%/25% without bothering for perfection. Those are called basic preflop odds.
If you really want to progress, check some advanced stuff like GTO Poker Strategy. Here is a brief intro: https://www.pokerstarsschool.com/strategies/an-introduction-to-gto-poker-strategy/1711/
But after playing a few thousand hands, you will know the odds without even think of. And in most cases, you need to know approximates. E.g. AK vs AQ ~75%/25% without bothering for perfection. Those are called basic preflop odds.
If you really want to progress, check some advanced stuff like GTO Poker Strategy. Here is a brief intro: https://www.pokerstarsschool.com/strategies/an-introduction-to-gto-poker-strategy/1711/