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Not that simple.
My list does not list the status of a case simply based on the complainant's [or any individuals, really] request. The status on each and every of those cases are the conclusion of them, obtained through either undisputable evidence or findings, or implied signs [agreed by the overseers by no objection] that points to a clear result.
The conclusion of this case, if you insist it to be closed, is actually "resolved", as the casino gave their findings of clear violation.
I could have marked with as such [resolved] from the day I got their evidences, actually, but refrained from doing it, in concern that people will perceive me as "playing judge". So, instead, I invited you to challenge it by having other DT reviewing the evidence, so it's not just me and my mind who gave the conclusion based on what's provided; a second opinion, if you may.
Aaaannddd... here we are.
Although you did not want to be a judge, the situation turned out so that you are in this role now.My list does not list the status of a case simply based on the complainant's [or any individuals, really] request. The status on each and every of those cases are the conclusion of them, obtained through either undisputable evidence or findings, or implied signs [agreed by the overseers by no objection] that points to a clear result.
The conclusion of this case, if you insist it to be closed, is actually "resolved", as the casino gave their findings of clear violation.
I could have marked with as such [resolved] from the day I got their evidences, actually, but refrained from doing it, in concern that people will perceive me as "playing judge". So, instead, I invited you to challenge it by having other DT reviewing the evidence, so it's not just me and my mind who gave the conclusion based on what's provided; a second opinion, if you may.
Aaaannddd... here we are.
You cannot set the case status to "resolved" because you refuse to connect the evidence presented by the bookmaker with my person!
You are trying to behave as correctly as possible, while defending the fictitious subjective evidence of the bookmaker, losing the truth in this dispute! And as you have already made it clear to me, you will not continue to try to find out the truth.
the status of my case is "unresolved"
Ironically, if we have to oblige to your post, you actually contradict yourself.
"Although you did not want to be a judge, the situation turned out so that you are in this role now.", by your order, I am now the judge. You do aware that as a judge, I can make a call, the final call that binds to both parties, right? And by the power you vested in me, I can literally mark this as "resolved" and you are bound by that decision I make.
Just to point out the ironic contradiction of your post.
that's right.
you can write right now that "you've heard both sides' arguments and are making a final verdict"
I'm just pointing out to you as a victim that if the bookmaker were a fraudster, he could have provided you with any pseudo-evidence. But how would you have been able to catch him then? By refusing to link the evidence to me, you're creating a precedent in which a fraudulent bookmaker becomes invulnerable to justice. And the whole discussion looks more like a circus.
In any case, this case can be used as an example for gambling commissions. That bookmakers are completely immune from justice.
Hi, as evidenced by their reply above me, BK8 was just managed to get back online today and they've replied to my PM asking their permission to share evidence with yahoo [below is a screenshot to prove that I only received the PM today]
https://talkimg.com/images/2024/11/20/b1rk1.jpeg
Yahoo62278, if you're still interested to get involved in this case and validate their findings as well as help me finalize this case, I can now share you their evidences. Though I --as well as other overseers of this case on this thread, I believe, judging from the point of their posts-- can understand if you're no longer interested on this.
Not that simple.
My list does not list the status of a case simply based on the complainant's [or any individuals, really] request. The status on each and every of those cases are the conclusion of them, obtained through either undisputable evidence or findings, or implied signs [agreed by the overseers by no objection] that points to a clear result.
The conclusion of this case, if you insist it to be closed, is actually "resolved", as the casino gave their findings of clear violation.
I could have marked with as such [resolved] from the day I got their evidences, actually, but refrained from doing it, in concern that people will perceive me as "playing judge". So, instead, I invited you to challenge it by having other DT reviewing the evidence, so it's not just me and my mind who gave the conclusion based on what's provided; a second opinion, if you may.
Aaaannddd... here we are.
https://talkimg.com/images/2024/11/20/b1rk1.jpeg
Yahoo62278, if you're still interested to get involved in this case and validate their findings as well as help me finalize this case, I can now share you their evidences. Though I --as well as other overseers of this case on this thread, I believe, judging from the point of their posts-- can understand if you're no longer interested on this.
my case status: unresolved
bookmaker BK8 - stole my winnings and half of my deposit
Bookmakers remain an unpunished cell that continues its activities and there is no way to do anything about them. Let's hope that a regulator will soon appear that will outlaw them all and introduce transparent rules that protect players.
bookmaker BK8 - stole my winnings and half of my deposit
Bookmakers remain an unpunished cell that continues its activities and there is no way to do anything about them. Let's hope that a regulator will soon appear that will outlaw them all and introduce transparent rules that protect players.
Not that simple.
My list does not list the status of a case simply based on the complainant's [or any individuals, really] request. The status on each and every of those cases are the conclusion of them, obtained through either undisputable evidence or findings, or implied signs [agreed by the overseers by no objection] that points to a clear result.
The conclusion of this case, if you insist it to be closed, is actually "resolved", as the casino gave their findings of clear violation.
I could have marked with as such [resolved] from the day I got their evidences, actually, but refrained from doing it, in concern that people will perceive me as "playing judge". So, instead, I invited you to challenge it by having other DT reviewing the evidence, so it's not just me and my mind who gave the conclusion based on what's provided; a second opinion, if you may.
Aaaannddd... here we are.
Although you did not want to be a judge, the situation turned out so that you are in this role now.
You cannot set the case status to "resolved" because you refuse to connect the evidence presented by the bookmaker with my person!
You are trying to behave as correctly as possible, while defending the fictitious subjective evidence of the bookmaker, losing the truth in this dispute! And as you have already made it clear to me, you will not continue to try to find out the truth.
the status of my case is "unresolved"
Hi Everyone
Whatever OP says, our decision is final
this user has violated our rules, we have flagged as a bonus seeker group that hunt for referral bonus + welcome bonus
The evidence I provided to Holly is clearly that they are a bonus seeker group, the user has also confirmed having two accounts, which further strengthens the validity of the evidence.
We will not share to the OP, Yahoo understands very well
I truly appreciate the objectivity of the members on this forum
Thanks
Whatever OP says, our decision is final
this user has violated our rules, we have flagged as a bonus seeker group that hunt for referral bonus + welcome bonus
The evidence I provided to Holly is clearly that they are a bonus seeker group, the user has also confirmed having two accounts, which further strengthens the validity of the evidence.
We will not share to the OP, Yahoo understands very well
The main reason you will not be shown the evidence is so they do not educate you on how to cheat them later. Even if you open a case with casinoguru or askgambler, you will not be shown the information. 100% guaranteed.
I truly appreciate the objectivity of the members on this forum
Thanks
Do you confirm that my first account has existed for almost two years?
My status was SILVER - $60,000 monthly deposit
For what reason were your proofs not used earlier? Or was it not profitable for you earlier? Or is your proof fake?
My account was blocked immediately after I created a new account in another currency. Which is allowed by the rules and does not violate anything!
https://prnt.sc/curRoz7ssn6T
This is the official response of the bookmaker's representative in the chat. You can check it yourself right now in a couple of minutes.
In general, all my activity did not violate any rules!
The bonuses you are talking about are not given for free! There are conditions for wagering (deposit + bonus) x12.
For another bonus, the conditions are to make a deposit of $30,000. Do you think that your bonus is a gift???
You have already laid down favorable conditions for wagering and, regardless of the result, all this was profitable for you in advance!
What you are saying is nonsense!
my case status: unresolved
bookmaker BK8 - stole my winnings and half of my deposit
Bookmakers remain an unpunished cell that continues its activities and there is no way to do anything about them. Let's hope that a regulator will soon appear that will outlaw them all and introduce transparent rules that protect players.
bookmaker BK8 - stole my winnings and half of my deposit
Bookmakers remain an unpunished cell that continues its activities and there is no way to do anything about them. Let's hope that a regulator will soon appear that will outlaw them all and introduce transparent rules that protect players.
there is no dilemma here.
You have evidence in your hands that I know nothing about. Most likely, it has nothing to do with me at all and is fake.
Although no, I know that it is extremely subjective, because you give me a chance to challenge it.
So what happens? I will be recognized as a multi-account if I don't guess!
And what should I guess?
I probably need to close the topic with the last message - DIDN'T GUESS WHAT NEEDS TO BE PROVIDED.
And don't you think that if I guess your evidence, then this will indicate my connection with other accounts? Because it is simply impossible to guess?!
This can be compared to the ancient Enquisition, when a witch was thrown tied up into a river and if she drowned, then she was innocent, and if she floated, then she was a witch. In any case, the person had no chance to survive.
I don't understand one thing:
1. Will yahoo62278 comment on the bookmaker's evidence? Or holydarkness prohibited from passing this on to yahoo62278 ?
2. Will you try to verify in any way that the bookmaker's evidence has any bearing on me? Why can you even accept his comments as truth?
I'll start with your questions. I cannot comment on something I have not been shown to this point. Maybe BK8 hasn't been online since they sent holydarkness the info, or maybe they don't want multiple eyes on the info, or maybe maybe maybe. Who knows the reason, but to this point I have not been made aware of what was sent. You have evidence in your hands that I know nothing about. Most likely, it has nothing to do with me at all and is fake.
Although no, I know that it is extremely subjective, because you give me a chance to challenge it.
So what happens? I will be recognized as a multi-account if I don't guess!
And what should I guess?
I probably need to close the topic with the last message - DIDN'T GUESS WHAT NEEDS TO BE PROVIDED.
And don't you think that if I guess your evidence, then this will indicate my connection with other accounts? Because it is simply impossible to guess?!
This can be compared to the ancient Enquisition, when a witch was thrown tied up into a river and if she drowned, then she was innocent, and if she floated, then she was a witch. In any case, the person had no chance to survive.
I don't understand one thing:
1. Will yahoo62278 comment on the bookmaker's evidence? Or holydarkness prohibited from passing this on to yahoo62278 ?
2. Will you try to verify in any way that the bookmaker's evidence has any bearing on me? Why can you even accept his comments as truth?
I think you're missing the point of what's being said in the last couple messages. No matter if you guess correctly or incorrectly, you will not be given a hint as to how you were detected by the casino. You were flagged for whatever reason and evidence was provided to a mediator so to speak. They didn't just pick you because you may have won a few bucks, they stand to lose a lot more than what you won if they operate in a shady manner.
The main reason you will not be shown the evidence is so they do not educate you on how to cheat them later. Even if you open a case with casinoguru or askgambler, you will not be shown the information. 100% guaranteed.
Apparently you didn't get the gist of it.
1. The bookmaker is a scammer
2. The evidence presented has nothing to do with me! It's fake!
However, for some reason you take his side without even trying to check it...
there is no dilemma here.
You have evidence in your hands that I know nothing about. Most likely, it has nothing to do with me at all and is fake.
Although no, I know that it is extremely subjective, because you give me a chance to challenge it.
So what happens? I will be recognized as a multi-account if I don't guess!
And what should I guess?
I probably need to close the topic with the last message - DIDN'T GUESS WHAT NEEDS TO BE PROVIDED.
And don't you think that if I guess your evidence, then this will indicate my connection with other accounts? Because it is simply impossible to guess?!
This can be compared to the ancient Enquisition, when a witch was thrown tied up into a river and if she drowned, then she was innocent, and if she floated, then she was a witch. In any case, the person had no chance to survive.
I don't understand one thing:
1. Will yahoo62278 comment on the bookmaker's evidence? Or holydarkness prohibited from passing this on to yahoo62278 ?
2. Will you try to verify in any way that the bookmaker's evidence has any bearing on me? Why can you even accept his comments as truth?
You have evidence in your hands that I know nothing about. Most likely, it has nothing to do with me at all and is fake.
Although no, I know that it is extremely subjective, because you give me a chance to challenge it.
So what happens? I will be recognized as a multi-account if I don't guess!
And what should I guess?
I probably need to close the topic with the last message - DIDN'T GUESS WHAT NEEDS TO BE PROVIDED.
And don't you think that if I guess your evidence, then this will indicate my connection with other accounts? Because it is simply impossible to guess?!
This can be compared to the ancient Enquisition, when a witch was thrown tied up into a river and if she drowned, then she was innocent, and if she floated, then she was a witch. In any case, the person had no chance to survive.
I don't understand one thing:
1. Will yahoo62278 comment on the bookmaker's evidence? Or holydarkness prohibited from passing this on to yahoo62278 ?
2. Will you try to verify in any way that the bookmaker's evidence has any bearing on me? Why can you even accept his comments as truth?
If people like holydarkness and yahoo62278 say that the presented evidence is enough to recognize my account as a multi-account, then the case can be considered closed. And not even because I agree with this decision, but because the whole point of this process is to get a condemnation of BK8 from the forum. I have long since come to terms with the loss of my money.
However, what kind of evidence is this, after presenting which you are still not sure??? If several accounts were registered with the same passport data, you would immediately write that the evidence is indisputable and this is 100% a multi-account. However, even in this case, the bookmaker was obliged to do a KYС check and, after comparing the photos, establish that the data of both accounts was not stolen. For example, if I worked in a travel agency, I would have a huge number of documents. This means that the bookmaker's check should include not just a photo of the passport, but, for example, a photo of the passport against the background of the casino. And here are two options, if in the first case the player provided such photos, and in the second case not, it means that the second stole the data and cannot influence the account of the first. but why am I sure that most of you will defend the casino in this case and even if the money is stolen from both accounts?!
And why did I write all this, I wrote this so that if bk8 receives evidence that two photos belong to one person and showed them holydarknessand yahoo62278, first you have to show me these photos so that I can confirm that it is me in these photos !!!!!!!! You are discussing evidence without my participation !!! How can you even understand that what you were given is related to my account
If the casino is initially a fraudster, then they could have given you any convenient evidence in private mode !!! I would really like you to at least somehow try to discuss the evidence presented with me!
Yes, holydarkness, in a private message I tried to explain to you what objective evidence and subjective evidence are. And the fact that you are still not sure indicates that all this is subjective evidence! And why do super-rich structures have grounds to steal money from accounts based on subjective evidence?
Once again one of you poking me with bookmaker rules that I agreed with. So that you understand, almost every bookmaker has such a clause in the rules - "if the casino, at its own discretion, considers that the player has won unfairly, then his bet can be cancelled without any evidence" - I have a question for you all - what rating will the casino have if again and again you will complain that their bets are cancelled??? bookmaker rules are not a law! and cannot be a basis for stealing money. and certainly should not affect the forum rating.
We all have some understanding of fair play in our heads, and most likely it is very different for each of us. But I am sure that such a rule - "if the casino, at its own discretion, considers that the player has won unfairly, then his bet can be cancelled without any evidence" - should not have the right to be in the casino rules at all!!!
Just like the licensing authorities of Curacao, who are busy with only one task - getting money for the issued licenses, and not protecting players who have suffered from scammers with their license.
I believe that the world justice against bookmakers is so helpless that right now thousands of sites with a Curacao license have appeared. My opinion is that casinos should not be allowed to have any "their own rules" at all, if you obey the license, then only these rules should be and no others! *** by the way, if there are lawyers among us, but it seems that this is actually the case!!! Casinos cannot apply their rules because they are not a law! Today they can steal a player's winnings, but they have no right to steal a player's deposit***
Most likely, you will tell me that this is not right, that bookmakers also suffer from scammers, etc. I will answer you - Bookmakers and Casinos must become stronger! If there is any way to deceive a Casino, then the Casino itself must find this function and fix it! Thus, it becomes a Casino that cannot be deceived!!! And when you are now trying to prove to me that I myself am the winner, although there is no clear evidence and they still steal my money, you still say that these are the rules...
It bothers me even more how users with a great reputation came up with the idea that betting on arbitrage is unfair play!!! How did you all suddenly turn your heads like that??? Any bet that a bookmaker accepts is beneficial to him in his specific situation! But refusing to pay the bet in case of a win - that is not fair play!!! I have already written about fraud with the rules. Now I will tell you about fraud with arbitrage bets: tennis final and the bookmaker lowers the odds of one by 20% and raises the other by 20% respectively. It turns out that all bets on one shoulder become super-profitable, and bets on the second shoulder are arbitrage!!!! For some bets we collect super-profits, and for others we cancel the bet, because it was arbitrage. As proof, we provide graphs displaying all the odds for this market. Who will argue??? or become a semi-fraudster and recalculate at the best odds??? But each of you will support the casino in such actions, you will 100% do it! So why does the program so quickly find players who bet on arbitrage situations, instead of correcting these situations and making such bets impossible???
I want this forum and you not to work for bookmakers because of their stars in the rating! So that the casinos become stronger and work honestly! So that you don't write to me that why am I wasting my time if the casino has already written to you that the decision has been made and you won't get the money.
Just put my case in the table holydarkness , and let people see that the bookmaker had no direct evidence of violations and he still stole my deposit and winnings!
Any casino should become stronger and should not have the right to cancel bets. If this is not possible, then close your casino. There are too many non-professionals now who earn money through deception and provocation, but most likely it is not a matter of professionalism, they were created only because such fraud is possible.
However, what kind of evidence is this, after presenting which you are still not sure??? If several accounts were registered with the same passport data, you would immediately write that the evidence is indisputable and this is 100% a multi-account. However, even in this case, the bookmaker was obliged to do a KYС check and, after comparing the photos, establish that the data of both accounts was not stolen. For example, if I worked in a travel agency, I would have a huge number of documents. This means that the bookmaker's check should include not just a photo of the passport, but, for example, a photo of the passport against the background of the casino. And here are two options, if in the first case the player provided such photos, and in the second case not, it means that the second stole the data and cannot influence the account of the first. but why am I sure that most of you will defend the casino in this case and even if the money is stolen from both accounts?!
And why did I write all this, I wrote this so that if bk8 receives evidence that two photos belong to one person and showed them holydarknessand yahoo62278, first you have to show me these photos so that I can confirm that it is me in these photos !!!!!!!! You are discussing evidence without my participation !!! How can you even understand that what you were given is related to my account
If the casino is initially a fraudster, then they could have given you any convenient evidence in private mode !!! I would really like you to at least somehow try to discuss the evidence presented with me!
Yes, holydarkness, in a private message I tried to explain to you what objective evidence and subjective evidence are. And the fact that you are still not sure indicates that all this is subjective evidence! And why do super-rich structures have grounds to steal money from accounts based on subjective evidence?
Once again one of you poking me with bookmaker rules that I agreed with. So that you understand, almost every bookmaker has such a clause in the rules - "if the casino, at its own discretion, considers that the player has won unfairly, then his bet can be cancelled without any evidence" - I have a question for you all - what rating will the casino have if again and again you will complain that their bets are cancelled??? bookmaker rules are not a law! and cannot be a basis for stealing money. and certainly should not affect the forum rating.
We all have some understanding of fair play in our heads, and most likely it is very different for each of us. But I am sure that such a rule - "if the casino, at its own discretion, considers that the player has won unfairly, then his bet can be cancelled without any evidence" - should not have the right to be in the casino rules at all!!!
Just like the licensing authorities of Curacao, who are busy with only one task - getting money for the issued licenses, and not protecting players who have suffered from scammers with their license.
I believe that the world justice against bookmakers is so helpless that right now thousands of sites with a Curacao license have appeared. My opinion is that casinos should not be allowed to have any "their own rules" at all, if you obey the license, then only these rules should be and no others! *** by the way, if there are lawyers among us, but it seems that this is actually the case!!! Casinos cannot apply their rules because they are not a law! Today they can steal a player's winnings, but they have no right to steal a player's deposit***
Most likely, you will tell me that this is not right, that bookmakers also suffer from scammers, etc. I will answer you - Bookmakers and Casinos must become stronger! If there is any way to deceive a Casino, then the Casino itself must find this function and fix it! Thus, it becomes a Casino that cannot be deceived!!! And when you are now trying to prove to me that I myself am the winner, although there is no clear evidence and they still steal my money, you still say that these are the rules...
It bothers me even more how users with a great reputation came up with the idea that betting on arbitrage is unfair play!!! How did you all suddenly turn your heads like that??? Any bet that a bookmaker accepts is beneficial to him in his specific situation! But refusing to pay the bet in case of a win - that is not fair play!!! I have already written about fraud with the rules. Now I will tell you about fraud with arbitrage bets: tennis final and the bookmaker lowers the odds of one by 20% and raises the other by 20% respectively. It turns out that all bets on one shoulder become super-profitable, and bets on the second shoulder are arbitrage!!!! For some bets we collect super-profits, and for others we cancel the bet, because it was arbitrage. As proof, we provide graphs displaying all the odds for this market. Who will argue??? or become a semi-fraudster and recalculate at the best odds??? But each of you will support the casino in such actions, you will 100% do it! So why does the program so quickly find players who bet on arbitrage situations, instead of correcting these situations and making such bets impossible???
I want this forum and you not to work for bookmakers because of their stars in the rating! So that the casinos become stronger and work honestly! So that you don't write to me that why am I wasting my time if the casino has already written to you that the decision has been made and you won't get the money.
Just put my case in the table holydarkness , and let people see that the bookmaker had no direct evidence of violations and he still stole my deposit and winnings!
Any casino should become stronger and should not have the right to cancel bets. If this is not possible, then close your casino. There are too many non-professionals now who earn money through deception and provocation, but most likely it is not a matter of professionalism, they were created only because such fraud is possible.
I don't know what they wrote to you! Maybe it's all fiction???
or maybe it's partially true.
or maybe I can comment on each "proof" so that each action will be as logical as possible!
I wrote you a private message. Could you answer me?
or maybe it's partially true.
or maybe I can comment on each "proof" so that each action will be as logical as possible!
I wrote you a private message. Could you answer me?
Maybe it's all fiction. But I sincerely doubt that they fabricate what they provided to me, as it's quite... detailed, where each proof actually interconnected with each other, confirming and validating their findings.
As for you to demand on commenting each "proof" yourself to make it as logical as possible --risking to sound like a broken record-- I am not sure I am allowed to provide that.
But the situation doesn't directly translates as a dead-end, with me unable to show their findinds and people doubted the validity of the data itself as it's being verified by one person.
So, if you still want to pursue this path of invalidating their findings [without you being able to see it yourself] I propose to ask the help of other DT, bring a couple more pair of eyes instead of merely mine. Here's this month's DT1, choose five names from it, and from the five names, I'll reduce more to two or three based on their activies and experience in mediating scam accusation.
Once you agreed with the name of the DT, I'll ask BK8 if they're ok with me sharing what they shared to me to them. With that permission from BK8, I'll reach each of the DT and ask their willingness to help validate the data provided, and see what their verdicts are.
Agree?
If I may... perhaps you'll want to nominate examplens, nutildah, yahoo62278 amongst the other name of your choosing [I'll automatically agree with these three names] you'll propose. Not because I am sure they'll take my side, it's simply because I know these three oversee and mediate scam accusations from neutral ground, with open mind, yet painfully detailed, and they probably would say yes if I PM them asking their willingness to help resolve a case by reviewing a data.
Last, about your PM. I don't see the added benefit of replying there while the queries you asked there has already been told in details here. You wanted to know whether you can finally know the reason of your blocking. well...
I invited you without knowing anything about you, but I saw the table with public cases that you keep. By the way, I would really like my case to appear there too.
As for these names, I know nothing about them. Let it be - yahoo62278
I would really like to get an answer from you in private messages at least once. Because I have already written 3 letters and I do not know if they reach you. While we are playing "guess what needs to be proven", I will at least try...
Now let's talk about the process.
Anything starts with someone having some claims and these claims have grounds. I have my own view of the case and it is also private. I do not want to talk about every action I take in order to guess for what reason the bookmaker decided not to pay me! And I hope you clearly distinguish between objective reasons and subjective ones!
So umm... like before, their rep sent me supporting evidences to their findings. I don't think I am allowed to share details of what that findings are, so I can only hope that my statement is acceptable at face value that I've see what they shared to me and have to say that even for my eyes, it's very clear case of multi-acc.
if you take on the function of an arbitrator, making such a decision, you must listen to both sides. Also, I must confirm or deny the words of the representative of bk8! Please contact me in private messages
No, I didn't take the role of an arbitrator. Like previous case with bk8, it's kinda shoved down to my throat, I didn't really opt in to it, but nonetheless better just make the best of it, since I can't unsee what I've see.
Yes, I listen to both sides. What do you want to say and/or show me as a rebuttal for a multi-acc?
No, that is not words, rather [with full intention to be vague to protect their security parameter and algorithm that they kinda entrusted to me] a series of data. And no, I don't think even CG or AG or other arbitration body shared this info to the complainant. I believe that is what the arbitrator usually asked to be shared to them privately through email, of which they'll then check and validate.
And last, unfortunately, no, I have to address this publicly to maintain transparency. Feel free to reach me through PM if you have the need to talk about something private, but the discussion --and the resolution attempt-- has to be, unfortunately, stay in public.
I don't know what they wrote to you! Maybe it's all fiction???
or maybe it's partially true.
or maybe I can comment on each "proof" so that each action will be as logical as possible!
I wrote you a private message. Could you answer me?
So umm... like before, their rep sent me supporting evidences to their findings. I don't think I am allowed to share details of what that findings are, so I can only hope that my statement is acceptable at face value that I've see what they shared to me and have to say that even for my eyes, it's very clear case of multi-acc.
if you take on the function of an arbitrator, making such a decision, you must listen to both sides. Also, I must confirm or deny the words of the representative of bk8! Please contact me in private messages
Hello,
Apologies for the long wait
Unfortunately, after I checked with our compliance team, your account has been suspended due to a violation of our Terms of Service.
It appears that multiple accounts were created under different currencies (SGD, USD) with the intention of exploiting promotional bonuses, which is against our policy. We take this matter seriously to maintain fairness and integrity for all of our users. I believe other platforms may not offer a refund in the event of a breach like this
Thanks for your understanding
Apologies for the long wait
Unfortunately, after I checked with our compliance team, your account has been suspended due to a violation of our Terms of Service.
It appears that multiple accounts were created under different currencies (SGD, USD) with the intention of exploiting promotional bonuses, which is against our policy. We take this matter seriously to maintain fairness and integrity for all of our users. I believe other platforms may not offer a refund in the event of a breach like this
Thanks for your understanding
You even answer here like a robot.
Can you explain your answer???
Did YOU steal my money from the BK8-SGD account because I previously had an account with the same passport data in another currency BK8-USD? Did I understand you correctly?!
I will wait for updates
Just finished tackling my IRL situations and available for the forum. I've got your PM with your identifier, I'll try to get in touch with them and see if they can give their side of the story. At least perhaps the rule that you violated.
it will be very interesting to hear their comment
How they disliked the player who bet on the top European leagues before the match so much that they decided to steal all the winnings and half of all the deposits!
Got invited by the OP through PM... to a wall of text and no evidence. OP, do you mind to add something to substantiate the narrative? What acroman08 suggested will be a very good start. I'll try to reach the casino's rep to get a better grasp from their side after I can validate the ongoing narrative on this thread.
I don't know what other evidence I can provide?
Right now I would really like you to accept all my words as the truth and call a bookmaker representative here.
Since BK8 does not support correspondence via mail (most likely this was done for a reason), all dialogues were made in the chat, which cannot be restored.
I provided you with a transaction hash from my wallet, and I can confirm that this is my wallet.
Also, after my money was stolen from the account, I made a screenshot where in the chat they allow me to withdraw only 1504.8 SGD, although in this same screenshot you can clearly see all the transactions for the last week, that the amount of my deposit is exactly twice as much! Please note that the transaction currency is USDT, and the account currency is SGD.
Unfortunately, I do not have a screenshot of my balance before all the money was stolen. From memory, it was approximately 3500 or 3700 SGD, I don't remember exactly.
I want to clarify that I placed bets on the victory of the top teams of the major European leagues before the match! These are the most reliable bets and exclude any fraud!
I have already described our dialogue earlier. The bookmaker insists that I violated some rules, which I 100% did not violate! But refuses to specifically name which rules I violated. After which he himself tells me that all winnings will be canceled and that I can take back my deposit. This is already theft. I did not agree with this, and I have never felt so helpless, I was simply presented with a fact and without options for disputing. BUT in the end, for inexplicable reasons, they also decided to steal my first deposit! And here I was completely shocked! On what basis did they steal my money?
I have nothing more to add.
I am sure that there is every reason to accuse BK8 of fraud!
where did the conversation with their support happen? through your email address or through the casino chat? if it happened through your email address is there any chance you can post screenshots of your conversation with their support? I am not saying that you are lying but it would be better to have that instead of just manually writing your conversation with their support here.
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Yes, that's right. I wrote my review of this bookmaker a long time ago. But after reading other people's complaints, I got the impression that it was all a waste of time.
The situation changed when I saw the great work done by holydarkness https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5481683
I was very impressed by what he was doing.
That's why I sent him a private message, inviting him to this topic.
Thanks to this table, I quickly found all the complaints about BK8 and it turns out that the bookmaker's representative is getting in touch. (They communicated with me automatically, sending the same messages)
Although I had already come to terms with the fact that my money was stolen, I decided that at least my story should be included in this list.
bk8 an accusation of fraud and manipulation of the rules in bk8 favor!
This bookmaker has no logical explanation for what it does. Several thousand dollars were brazenly stolen from my account.
To the question:
Why? - You violated one of our rules.
What rule did I violate? - We cannot disclose the methodology of our analysis.
I am not asking your methodology, I am asking you to indicate which rule was violated? Because I did not violate any rules 100% - We are very sorry that this upset you, but the decision is final and cannot be revised.
This is very strange, but what will happen to my money in the account? - You will only be allowed to withdraw the deposit amount. Do you agree?
NO, I do not agree! Do you want to steal a lot of money from my account for no reason? - If you do not agree, then I will forward your position to our special department.
What is the answer from your special department? - You can only withdraw the deposit. Do you agree?
No, I have already said that I do not agree with you stealing money from my account! - Unfortunately, the decision is final and cannot be revised. Say yes so that we can open an account for you.
Apparently you were creating the illusion of choice...
YES. Open an account, I will withdraw the deposit.
Why is the amount on my account two times less than my deposit??? - We are very sorry, but you can only withdraw the last deposit!
What kind of fraud is this? I made two deposits and never withdrew money again. You have already stolen my winnings! Why have you now stolen half of my deposit? - We are very sorry, but the decision is final and cannot be revised!
Thus, these scammers refer to the provider, who allegedly limited my account! But all the money is already in the main wallet in bk8. And they were blocked only after I wanted to withdraw part!
All I did was bet on sports, top football matches. I didn't notice any restrictions from the provider! I'm sure there are none at all!
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BK8-Asia
my username - yunni5ty2
Amount of money on my bk8 account : 3500SGD
(i cant proof my blance because my account was blocked and money stolen)
Amount of money deposited to bk8: 2280USDT (3310 SGD)
1st deposit - 68cb32ba5d20e0477fc086466d5f1a668039fed1796f206afcbdfc683d491383
2nd deposit - 2738a1d19a85108cf891f71650083ee625d6c8745b654eca4a87363f74f065aa
bookmaker's decision - cancellation of all bets and refund of deposit.
This decision implies debiting more than 500 dollars from my account without explanation of the reason.
Refund from bookmaker: 1131.43 USDT
8775300b5978197256f2038947526d9fcb0a7563d6c832ea2338467f1b895b27
I demand a full refund of my deposit - 1140 USDT
This bookmaker has no logical explanation for what it does. Several thousand dollars were brazenly stolen from my account.
To the question:
Why? - You violated one of our rules.
What rule did I violate? - We cannot disclose the methodology of our analysis.
I am not asking your methodology, I am asking you to indicate which rule was violated? Because I did not violate any rules 100% - We are very sorry that this upset you, but the decision is final and cannot be revised.
This is very strange, but what will happen to my money in the account? - You will only be allowed to withdraw the deposit amount. Do you agree?
NO, I do not agree! Do you want to steal a lot of money from my account for no reason? - If you do not agree, then I will forward your position to our special department.
What is the answer from your special department? - You can only withdraw the deposit. Do you agree?
No, I have already said that I do not agree with you stealing money from my account! - Unfortunately, the decision is final and cannot be revised. Say yes so that we can open an account for you.
Apparently you were creating the illusion of choice...
YES. Open an account, I will withdraw the deposit.
Why is the amount on my account two times less than my deposit??? - We are very sorry, but you can only withdraw the last deposit!
What kind of fraud is this? I made two deposits and never withdrew money again. You have already stolen my winnings! Why have you now stolen half of my deposit? - We are very sorry, but the decision is final and cannot be revised!
Thus, these scammers refer to the provider, who allegedly limited my account! But all the money is already in the main wallet in bk8. And they were blocked only after I wanted to withdraw part!
All I did was bet on sports, top football matches. I didn't notice any restrictions from the provider! I'm sure there are none at all!
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BK8-Asia
my username - yunni5ty2
Amount of money on my bk8 account : 3500SGD
(i cant proof my blance because my account was blocked and money stolen)
Amount of money deposited to bk8: 2280USDT (3310 SGD)
1st deposit - 68cb32ba5d20e0477fc086466d5f1a668039fed1796f206afcbdfc683d491383
2nd deposit - 2738a1d19a85108cf891f71650083ee625d6c8745b654eca4a87363f74f065aa
bookmaker's decision - cancellation of all bets and refund of deposit.
This decision implies debiting more than 500 dollars from my account without explanation of the reason.
Refund from bookmaker: 1131.43 USDT
8775300b5978197256f2038947526d9fcb0a7563d6c832ea2338467f1b895b27
I demand a full refund of my deposit - 1140 USDT
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how good it is that on such a large forum bk8 has an official representative!
I am ready to write to bk8 an accusation of fraud and manipulation of the rules in bk8 favor!
This bookmaker has no logical explanation for what it does. Several thousand dollars were brazenly stolen from my account.
To the question:
Why? - You violated one of our rules.
What rule did I violate? - We cannot disclose the methodology of our analysis.
I am not asking your methodology, I am asking you to indicate which rule was violated? Because I did not violate any rules 100% - We are very sorry that this upset you, but the decision is final and cannot be revised.
This is very strange, but what will happen to my money in the account? - You will only be allowed to withdraw the deposit amount. Do you agree?
NO, I do not agree! Do you want to steal a lot of money from my account for no reason? - If you do not agree, then I will forward your position to our special department.
What is the answer from your special department? - You can only withdraw the deposit. Do you agree?
No, I have already said that I do not agree with you stealing money from my account! - Unfortunately, the decision is final and cannot be revised. Say yes so that we can open an account for you.
Apparently you were creating the illusion of choice...
Open an account, I will withdraw the deposit.
Why is the amount on my account two times less than my deposit??? - We are very sorry, but you can only withdraw the last deposit!
What kind of fraud is this? I made two deposits and never withdrew money again. You have already stolen my winnings! Why have you now stolen half of my deposit? - We are very sorry, but the decision is final and cannot be revised!
Thus, these scammers refer to the provider, who allegedly limited my account! But all the money is already in the main wallet in bk8. And they were blocked only after I wanted to withdraw part!
All I did was bet on sports, top football matches. I didn't notice any restrictions from the provider! I'm sure there are none at all!
BK8 I'll give you a week for your representative on the forum to contact me in private messages or here on the wall. I'll give you my login and hope for an honest review of the case! Also an explanation of your behavior!
If you don't contact me, I'll open a fraud charge and I hope you'll be banned from writing posts here forever!
I am ready to write to bk8 an accusation of fraud and manipulation of the rules in bk8 favor!
This bookmaker has no logical explanation for what it does. Several thousand dollars were brazenly stolen from my account.
To the question:
Why? - You violated one of our rules.
What rule did I violate? - We cannot disclose the methodology of our analysis.
I am not asking your methodology, I am asking you to indicate which rule was violated? Because I did not violate any rules 100% - We are very sorry that this upset you, but the decision is final and cannot be revised.
This is very strange, but what will happen to my money in the account? - You will only be allowed to withdraw the deposit amount. Do you agree?
NO, I do not agree! Do you want to steal a lot of money from my account for no reason? - If you do not agree, then I will forward your position to our special department.
What is the answer from your special department? - You can only withdraw the deposit. Do you agree?
No, I have already said that I do not agree with you stealing money from my account! - Unfortunately, the decision is final and cannot be revised. Say yes so that we can open an account for you.
Apparently you were creating the illusion of choice...
Open an account, I will withdraw the deposit.
Why is the amount on my account two times less than my deposit??? - We are very sorry, but you can only withdraw the last deposit!
What kind of fraud is this? I made two deposits and never withdrew money again. You have already stolen my winnings! Why have you now stolen half of my deposit? - We are very sorry, but the decision is final and cannot be revised!
Thus, these scammers refer to the provider, who allegedly limited my account! But all the money is already in the main wallet in bk8. And they were blocked only after I wanted to withdraw part!
All I did was bet on sports, top football matches. I didn't notice any restrictions from the provider! I'm sure there are none at all!
BK8 I'll give you a week for your representative on the forum to contact me in private messages or here on the wall. I'll give you my login and hope for an honest review of the case! Also an explanation of your behavior!
If you don't contact me, I'll open a fraud charge and I hope you'll be banned from writing posts here forever!
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I recently registered with this bookmaker
I want to say that the support is very friendly.
when I asked to withdraw my money, there was a delay of about 12 hours. It is very bad that at that moment I did not receive any letters that "your payment is being verified, please wait".
But in the end I got my payout. And I was even credited a little more
Thank you
I conclude that the bookmaker's payment processing is in manual mode. When they have many clients, I am afraid that payments may be delayed! Hopefully soon they will make an automatic system!
In general, I am satisfied! Got a nice bonus!
I was not very lucky with the bets. Most of them lost. So I decided to take a break for now.
Now I put the balance from the account on withdrawal.
I understand that the bookmaker may have their own reasons for the delay in payment. But I would like the payment system to be faster.
Thanks Adkinsbet! Good luck with your development!
I recently registered with this bookmaker
I want to say that the support is very friendly.
when I asked to withdraw my money, there was a delay of about 12 hours. It is very bad that at that moment I did not receive any letters that "your payment is being verified, please wait".
But in the end I got my payout. And I was even credited a little more
Thank you I conclude that the bookmaker's payment processing is in manual mode. When they have many clients, I am afraid that payments may be delayed! Hopefully soon they will make an automatic system!
In general, I am satisfied! Got a nice bonus!
I was not very lucky with the bets. Most of them lost. So I decided to take a break for now.
Now I put the balance from the account on withdrawal.
I understand that the bookmaker may have their own reasons for the delay in payment. But I would like the payment system to be faster.
Thanks Adkinsbet! Good luck with your development!