Was there any news or just pointless pump?

PAY obvioulsy, cards are rolling out, value is deprecated 4x comparing to similar company, while progress is much better.
x4 price raise is obvious. Force is very stong in this one.

You don't get 10x what you have in wallet, but:
 You get 10x what you have in your address.

Wallet=many addresses.

LCC comes from what you got in your LTC address x10.

If you got no idea what amount of LTC you got in what address, - you can see it using Litecoin core wallet. To see what address has what amount click:
Preferences - options - wallet - enable control coins function (mark it and click ok)
Send - inputs ( after clicking inputs you can see how many coins you got in which address)

You seriously should KNOW this, or else you might lose your LTC if your PC with LTC wallet ever crashes.

You OWN only those LTC for which you know private key, if you don't know private key you don't own it.


If you try using more than 1 PC with LTC core wallet you might end up losing your LTC as well.
Also you might end up losing your LTC at the very moment you click transfer LTC and your PC crashes (new LTC address for change doesn't get saved into wallet - and you lost access to your LTC)


For example:
- you have 1k LTC in address A
- you send 1 ltc to friend
- 1 LTC goes to his address, and 999 LTC goes to your NEW address.
If your PC crashes at the moment you send LTC you just lost 999LTC.

If your LTC was bought in parts for example you bought 300LTC than 700LTC, than your change will be 300-1=299LTC and you just lost 299LTC, or 700-1-699 and you lost 699LTC.
To prevent NEW address creation while you transfer LTC you should put your LTC address into field Non-standard address change and check it, option is in Function of coins control.

You can add nodes inside client using console:

addnode "cryptopool.party:62458" add
addnode "62.77.153.134:62458" add
addnode "lcc.cryptopool.party:62458" add
addnode "79.137.225.73:62458" add

not sure if this with ip6 will work:
addnode "[2001:0:9d38:6ab8:38a1:2976:bb8b:5277]:62458" add

You can't steal something that is free! Because it is free. Does "open source" ring any bell?

Every time real fork is created like BCH it is never created by MAIN team. Fork is created by team - that wants to change/innovate/fix coin that gets changed.
I would be abolutely shocked if LTC main team would be forking LTC. Main team doesn't need to FORK anything becouse they are in charge of blockchain anyway. If they would like to "fork it" they would say - since block 12345678 we are changing this and this, please adopt, ppl not adopting will be use new forked chain. So it is almost impossible for MAIN team to fork their coin, unless they intentionaly want to create 2 coins, as it was with ETH and new ETH/ETC

Ok so we got idea about amount of cards: ~100k

100k working cards 35,8 USD.
~2m working card at end of 2018 = 700usd per 1 PAY

Z dobrych polskich:
Abucoins.com, szybkie przelewy, małe lub 0 prowizji za wymianę, szybki support.
bitbay.net - duży obrót jak na polskie możliwości, ogromne prowizje od wymiany.

inne (bardzo dobre):
binance - niezawodny, tanie opłaty, intuicyjny, duży obrót
bittrex -duży obrot, dużo tokenów.
Gdax/coinbase - szybki wygodny, gigantyczne obroty, 0 fee jako maker.

shapeshift - jest też wbudowany np w jaxx-apka na tel. lub exodus apka na komputer (wygodne portfele z wymianą, jedno przyciskowe)


Takie sobie (warto zajrzeć - trochę hardcore - handlowanie bezpośrednio na blockchainie):
EtherDelta.com - wymiana p2p dla tokenów na platfomie ETH. Wymiana jest bezpośrednio na blockchainie - czyli ręka w rękę przez kontrakt. Łatwo sie pomylić i stracić kasę. Często widać że ludzie zamiast kupić np.: 15000 po 1 to kupują 1-en za 15000.

poloniex.com
livecoin.net
bitfinex - można pożyczyć swoje krypto na procent, do tego bardzo dobrze zabezpieczony exchange. Wolne wypłaty.

Nie polecane:
Coinfalcon.com (czasem trzeba 600 euro za wypłatę 0.5btc zapłacic) - podchodzi prawie pod scam. Kasa nigdy nie zgineła - ciekawe że jest to nakładka na GDAX i nie ma limitu i nie trzeba dokumentów do rejestracji, brak limitów wypłat. 0.25% fee jak na gdax dla taker, ale maker też ma 0.25% fee.

Kraken - działa ale wszystko zrobione chyba specjalnie aby cięzko było użyć.
Gemini - słabo.

I am using coinfalcon.com exchange.
There is 0.25% fee for trading.
Withdrawals fees are usually for BTC 0.0006btc.
But currently there is something going on with withdrawals fees.
If they change fee to 0.0006 than withdrawing takes like 6-12h
If they change fee to pay full TX cost than you end up with withdrawal fee close to 0.004-0.008btc it is 60-120 euro for 1 withdrawing of BTC - and than it works super fast.
Currently it is back to 0.0006btc (10 euro) and i am waiting for like 5h and my withdrawal is in pending state.
They use exactly the same market as GDAX - so i assume they got some agreement to use their market - or they are just passing trades through gdax API.

I did total about 30 trades and never got any issue with trading. Only weak part of this exchange is that they are still trying to tune the withrawal fees to balance cost/price.

Good about this exchange is that you don't need KYC documents becouse they do just crypto ATM. (similar to binance no KYC).
So you can just create account and withing 2min you can start trading.
There is also no withrawal limit. (binance has 2BTC/day)

Generaly I am very pleased.

They do get  2-5min breaks 3-4 times a day. You can notice they are fixing/upgrading stuff.
They got nice working notification system - emails.
2FA - works with google authenticator.

LTC deposits -was tuned up a bit last week, and currently works very smooth and very fast (3 confirmations) and you can nicely see it in gui.
LTC withdrawals - work very fast. (much faster than binance or bittrex)
BTC deposits - very fast.
BTC withdrawals - very slow if they currenlty use 10 euro fee, or very fast if you get adoptive tx fee (ending with 25-160 euro per withdrawal) - kinda annoying.
ETH - works smooth both way -similary smooth to bittrex, but deposit in coinfalcon is much faster.

They get nice gui popup when you are trading to see when your deposits arrive - generaly they got many cool features.

Generaly you can see exchange is not 100% completed and stuff gets modified, upgraded, changed, or tuned - but it is fully functional site.

Glad to see that they have support with chat! - usuall response time in chat is 5min-4h , but someone does actually talk to you, and tries to help you.

And very nice design. If you like exodus wallet style you will like coinfalcon.com style.

You lend GRX and you get 1.1% of investment/day. You earn 1.1% in what  in GRX, usd?, btc? eth?
And they earn cash in what way? Using some trading bots?
Where are those bots operating, did anyone see them working?

Is is something like bitconnect scam? Anything promising 1% daily investment dosn't seem legit. What if trading bots lose 99% of my GRX tokens? Can they lose it?

I love the moment when you are entering PIN into app.
For a second you can see your previous balance and after that you can see new balance It is so cool.

So easy to see how much fiat you had few hours ago or 1 day ago and how much you got now. Really nicely done.

Bought CTR tokens for 0.00550 ETH.
Sold today for            0.00089 ETH
84% lose in ETH.
Gladly ETH went up from 300 to 450 USD. So my total lose is a bit lower
75% lose in USD

Invested ~1k USD, and got back only 250USD

Bad assumptions give bad results
1) 12k usd per person per year -> most ppl who get tenx card were early in crypto bussines = they got cash.
I got card for 1 month. My spending was ~11k usd in last month using card. My early spending should be close to 120k-150k usd per year. Average probably should be close to 50% or average yearly salary of person using card or more like 75%. I would say it is safe to assume 30k usd per year per user.

2) You don't count total value equal to 1 year earnings never ever!.
This company will not case to exist in 1 year so this assumption that company vaporizes in 1 year is extremely faulty giving huge error.
Look at Tesla P/E = infinity
Netflix P/E = 189
Amazon P/E = 297
Yelp P/E = 489

(P/E is Price/Earning)

Average for tech companies is ~30. Good companies with good potential growth in future are 100+. So Tenx should have at least P/E=100.


So after fixing base assumptions, let's fix your calculations:

104,661,310 tokens * $2,46 /100(p/e) = $2,574,668 need to be collected

To make this happen we need 200 * <$ value of 0.5%> = $51,493,364

$30,000 * 0,005 = $150 collected (0.5% reward)

So, to collect $2,574,668 TenX needs: $2,574,668 / $150 per person per year = 17164 customer  using card.

As far as i can know they will get about 25k working card till end of 2017.
So according to this calculation price NOW should be 2.46$(value used for calculations)*25000/17164 (really working  cards/amount from calculation) = 3,58USD per 1 PAY token.

If they get 50k working cards value should be 7,16USD, 100k working cards 35,8 USD.
1k working cards -> 1Pay = 0.35USD 

Everything now depends how many cards were shipped! This is very valuable insider info.

Yesterday bought Belgian chocolates and exchange rate for selling my BTC was 11206USD (39669,97PLN). At exactly the same time Price for BTC in Bittrex was 10769USD.
Seems like TenX selling algo is sometimes really good 4% above market price.

Tenx have been sending cards for 3 months.
Centra didn't start yet.

Received my card 1 month ago, did spend about 8k usd(~7k euro) using it. Made ~100 transactions (1-8 daily) never got any issue with card.
Did use it in online shops, in online auction sites, in silver bullion selling markets, in shops, hotels, services, atms, restaurants etc.
I found it working better than described in white-paper since i can take cash using atm without paying any withdrawal fee. Should be 2.75euro per withdrawal.
Hard to not call it a working product. Very working one for me.

You can change PIN in any ATM.

You don't need to click "show pin" every transaction btw, just first time to know what the PIN is.


The "show pin" will just let you peek at your pin. Once you remembered the pin  there is no need to use this option ever again.

My first thoughts was : Wtf, why do i need to press show pin on phone every time i want to pay with card! And i got only 30sec to enter pin! WTF?!  Luckily it is just an option to preview your pin. Works like pin in any other visa card.

You will log in using your email or phone number + PIN. If you reinstall your app/OS or lose phone, your cash in tenx is safe. Just reinstall app and login again. No need to backup anything

>I ordered a card in June that is 5 months ago, I have no received so therefore no product have been told sometime next year by their support most likely 2nd quarter.   - Truth
   You got option to get your money back. So truth but it is your decision.

>"Some" people have cards, the majority if you live outside of the EU do not  and will have to wait another 6 months or so - Truth
  Not truth - just prediction.

>TenX has made more promises than they have delivered on - Truth
  Actually false.

>The price of the PAY token has taken a nose dive mostly because of the above mentioned reasons - Truth
  False as well. You are just guessing.

>Many investors purchased tokens well above the current market value and have therefore lost Thousands of dollars - Truth
 Investors bought tokens at ICO. They invested ETH into PAY tokens, Tenx got ETH. Everyone else is just a trader/rentier/saver/speculator.  - so False.
Investor bough PAY at 350 per 1 eth so 1 pay was 0,00327eth. Currently they got ~+80% gains ETH wise. USD wise they got +500% - so double False.


>So many TenX fanboyz here it is laughable.   And no I did not buy in at a high price, however I feel sorry for those that did.
>You guys want to live in a bubble and not face reality,
 Not truth - you are just trying to be smart, a bit of whinning and bit of fud + extra insult "fanboyz". There is no bubble in tenx atm. But more like you though about bubble of reality - everyone has his own perspective, you can't just insult ppl because they don't want to pity on your misery (whatever your misery is). It is quite obvious you are not truly honest.

>well the above mentioned points ARE reality for the majority of people, call it FUD if you wan't I call it the truth.
 Not truth - just a whinning

>And so does the market price, it does not lie.    
False as well - If you had spend few years on markets you would know that prices of small companies can be easily moved. There was pump 3 months ago, and you blame tenx, - maybe you lost cash, -maybe you envy ppl who got card. - general your are whining is about YOUR MONEY/your life/your inability to make adult decisions,  not about Tenx Fast sharp moves it is not really a wise market. It is emotion based trading.
Look at the move 2 day ago - 25% move up because someone read some info about VISA, and had no clue what it means so he pumped PAY using ~15m usd. Was that move a truth? It was just an emotion -> faulty emotion -> lie.


Any crap we are writing here is totally irrelevant anyway. Tenx is already beyond grasp of this forum. Sure you can whine, i can try to tell my opinion, but majority of real world ppl don't give a rat ass about this forum. I got card, 3 friends of mine asked about it and they are ordering it now. Those 3 guys never heard about this forum...

What is real is the card i am holding in my hand.

You're welcome.

FUD is here for one reason - Money.
Those guys FUDing are not warning anyone.

How do FUDers earn cash:
1)
They are trying to earn cash "blackmailing" company.
Most scam companies that exists thanks to hype, will usually pay FUDers so they will remove their slander statements.
FUDers learn - that writing FUD can give them cash - so they keep on slandering companies expecting cash (bribes).
2)
If person is "trading" tokens he might try to inflance market after selling tokens.
After selling token at new all time high, he will try to spread as much FUD as possible, to make tokens drop so he can buy them back at lower prices.